Christianity and Homosexuality

I will take this one ! God made a law stating "Children are not to be punished for the sins of their parents" ... a very good rule .. one that is now part of the rule of law .. "One person is not to be punished for the actions of another".

Unfortunately - YHWH turned out to be a big flip flopper. After making this law he turns around and commands the Israelites go out and kill children and babies "because of the sins of their parents"

 

Religious right fundamentalist extremists - of which there are many - are in favor of this law.

 

Do you think you represent Christianity in this matter?

 

So where is your evidence that the Iraqis would have been willing to drop their demand that US troops were to be tried in Iraqi courts?

As for your link, you see all that light green area that is much larger than any of the other areas of remaining ISIS territory? That's the territory they lost under Obama. It's also when ISIS lost the majority of their fighters and military equipment.

 

What does drunkenness have to do with sexual immorality?

 

How many times did God command that? When Jesus told Peter to walk on water does that apply to me too?

 

The point is, Obama didn't even try to get around this. It was a ridiculous demand to begin with, like saying US troops in occupied France were only to be tried by French courts.

Here are some tactical changes when Trump took over that greatly accelerated the demise of ISIS:

https://www.heritage.org/middle-east/commentary/did-trump-really-beat-isis

"The United States was already at war with ISIS prior to Trump’s election, working with local partners to take back the territory the terrorist army had gained in Iraq and Syria and carrying out airstrikes in support of that mission. Progress was undeniably slow and, days after being inaugurated, President Trump signed an Executive Order requesting a Pentagon-led review be provided to him within thirty days on how ISIS could be defeated.

Calling this a “secret plan” would be generous, but tactical tweaks did quickly began to appear. Secretary of Defense James Mattis outlined that President Trump “delegated authority to the right level to aggressively and in a timely manner move against enemy vulnerabilities.” This meant that when those on the ground requested airstrikes, fewer layers of sign-off were required; the approval process was decentralized and, subsequently, faster.

Administration officials cite a March 2017 example of when U.S.-backed Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF, a Kurdish and Arab fighting force battling ISIS) asked for U.S. air transport for a surprise operation in Taqba, a Syrian town on the Euphrates and where ISIS controlled a dam. Those on the ground gave approval immediately, and the U.S. quickly air-lifted the SDF fighters. Located just twenty-five miles from Raqqa, the taking of Taqba was a major stepping-stone in the overall push into Raqqa.

Mattis has also said that another change was a “shift from shoving ISIS out of safe locations in an attrition fight to surrounding the enemy in their strongholds so we can annihilate ISIS.” The purpose behind this, Mattis outlined, was to dry up the flow of foreign fighters leaving the region.

Undeniably, the foreign-fighter flow was stunted. In October 2017, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff General Joseph Dunford stated that, “We don’t see large numbers of fighters coming out of Syria and Iraq. The numbers that we’re seeing in other places that have come from Syria and Iraq are fairly small numbers.” (What is unclear, however, is causation; recent reporting has suggested that European fighters, for example, may have relocated to Turkey or more remote parts of Iraq or Syria).

Another shift came in the role of U.S. troops in combat operations. During the fight for Mosul, hundreds of U.S. Special Forces operators were given latitude to work much closer with their Iraqi partners. Lt. Gen. Stephen Townsend, the head of U.S. military efforts in Syria and Iraq confirmed that “We are operating closer and deeper into Iraqi formations.”

And....

"Some of the problems the Trump administration is now trying to resolve are those the Obama administration helped create. While there is plenty of blame to go around concerning Iraq, the premature U.S. troop withdrawal in 2011 helped give Al Qaeda in Iraq (AQI, now ISIS) the space it needed to regenerate. President Obama also vacillated over Syria, with his caution allowing ISIS to stake out a position of significant power."

 

He doesn't on the gay issue. Of the three largest Christian churches, the Roman Catholic and Orthodox reject the gay agenda, as does even the majority of the 70,000,000 Anglican Communion. So do an additional 630,000,000 global evangelicals, who represent one in four Christians.

 

More evidence that Christians are evolving on what is dogmatic necessity versus relevance/ inclusion.

"In Major Shift, LDS Church Rolls Back Controversial Policies Toward LGBT Members"
https://www.npr.org/2019/04/04/7099...back-controversial-policies-toward-lgbt-membe

 

The Jesus character said that believers could do greater miracles than he did. Aren't you a believer?

 

Haven't you ever read your favorite ethnocentric Middle Eastern Jewish religious fairy tale?

As it says in 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 = 9-10 (TLB) = Don’t you know that those doing such things have no share in the Kingdom of God? Don’t fool yourselves. Those who live immoral lives, who are idol worshipers, adulterers or homosexuals—will have no share in his Kingdom. Neither will thieves or greedy people, drunkards, slanderers, or robbers.

 

Well, guess what? You are no better than the people you think are "hate groups" if you can hate another Christian.

 

I admit to getting carried away a bit and really don't mean to offend others. I have dealt with those who seek to hurt me all my life just because I love someone of my own gender. Many of these Christians are quite frightening and have only driven Gay people out of the Church.

 

Superstition and belief in magic. That's all it is. But you say penguins can revert to animal instincts? What kind of instincts do they have before that?

Homosexuality has existed in every culture in all times. And each culture has its own way of dealing with it. Our modern phobia of it is among the more unfortunate.

 

Small steps but encouraging, nonetheless:

"Will pope’s meeting with LGBTQ community prove ‘historic’?" https://cruxnow.com/news-analysis/2019/04/05/will-popes-meeting-with-lgbtq-community-prove-historic/

"Although Francis is unlikely to deliver what the most ardent gay rights activists want, such as a Catholic blessing of gay unions, there are certain steps that would be considered positive moves by Catholics who self-identify as LGBTQ.

1) Change the wording of the catechism that describes homosexual acts as “intrinsically disordered.” Although the catechism is clear to state the problem is the act, not the person, it’s still a cause for confusion and hurt among gay Catholics and their families.

2) Announce authoritatively that people in same-sex relationships are not to be prevented from receiving normal pastoral ministry assignments, such as hospital visits by chaplains and Catholic schooling for their children.

3) State clearly that the various Church documents and papal messages that have been applied to those Catholics who are divorced and remarried also apply to those in same-sex relationships, including provisions on when it is possible to receive communion.

Whether these are good ideas is a debate for another day. Here, the point is only to sketch what a significant transition might look like.

Although these steps might not seem drastic, they would signal a shift in the Church’s centuries-long orientation when it comes to same-sex relationships, without changing Church teaching on marriage and human sexuality. It’ll be interesting to see if the needle begins to move in that direction today."

 

What is ridiculous is the claim that Trump defeated ISIS. ISIS was already defeated throughout most of Syria prior to Trump setting foot in the WH.

The only place where ISIS wasn't defeated was in the area that we controlled - and we were blocking the Syrian army and Russia from getting to them.

 

Nobody cares about "who you love", they probably just don't want to hear about your sex life. I know they don't want to hear about mine and I don't blame them.

Christianity is not about changing the world to suit yourself, it's about changing yourself to suit God.

 

No, it is allowing God to change the person to be a better human being. Love

 

Love is the most powerful force in the universe, and it is gender neutral.

 

I like what a near death experiencer was shown on this question.

https://www.near-death.com/experiences/exceptional/christian-andreason.html#a11

And it is relevant that the being of light of NDE fame could perhaps be Messiah Yeshua - Jesus in his resurrected form keeping this promise:

John 16:25

These things have I spoken unto you in proverbs: but the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall shew you plainly of the Father.

 

Or, perhaps more accurately, your interpretation of Christianity. . .

 

1. Getting religion involved in politics is a real wormhole for everyone. It's been tried before, and ALWAYS resulted in the destruction of human rights & the imposition of dogmatic tyranny over innocents. It's a really bad idea. That's why our founding fathers tried to prevent it by including a freedom of religion clause in the Constitution.
2. Voters can be wrong just as easily as any judge. The election of 2016 is proof of that. Besides, there are "activist judges" on both sides of the ideological equation. Conservative judges are just as "activist" as liberal ones.

 

I beg to differ. Our conscious DOES make us unique & different, but from each other possibly as much as from animals. Yes, our souls came from Heaven, but in the spirit world, we have no sex-based gender. We do exhibit gender preferences in our behaviors there though.

 

Did God ever nuke two cities because of drinking, gambling, and hetro sex?

 

From time to time they hold up their fingers to see which direction the wind blows. Gotta keep the money coming in.