Civil Rights icon calls white wokeness 'insulting' to black Americans

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    Then you haven't been paying attention.

    The entire notion that requiring voter ID is racist is predicated on the notion that minorities, particularly black people cannot get ID.
     
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    So one quote and it’s him saying his son would be black? Lmao
    That’s it???
     
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    I suppose you could ignore the context of the time, though I gave far more than that. Are you claiming he never said that white resistance needs to stop? Are you claiming he didnt support BLM? Lol.

    Lmao.

    Ofcourse you couldn't be honest about it. The exact response I'd expect.
     
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    So they were tricked....so they’re gullible.
    Same answer every time. Once you can find a non-insulting one, you might break 10% of the black vote.
     
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    Then post a quote of a dem saying that. The issue was some don’t have ID, not they’re incapable of getting one.
     
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    IMO, once the issues are made clear from within, suggestions can be made from any source.

    Observations have been offered by 'other-than' for decades. While there are some groups working to rectify some social problems that can provide a basis to strengthen the community without a threat to the actual culture, there aren't enough people that want to make the changes necessary.

    Other-than can offer up help, time, people, knowledge, even money, but until the community at large stops seeing other-than as the enemy, there can be no acknowledgement that change is necessary.
     
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    So he said Black Lives Matter and you disagree? Who could have guessed lol
     
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    Its not insulting, its simply the objective truth. Anyone can be tricked, the left in general has a significant population that has been tricked into believing all kinds of nonsense racial narratives. Hell, whites have been tricked into hating themselves for things they haven't done.

    Your oversimplification of it is necessary because you dont actually have a solid argument otherwise.

    And 10 percent will happen soon I think. In a couple elections from now.

    Breaking past the barrier of decades worth of propaganda isn't easy. But its slowly happening. Each election season we are getting closer and closer. More and more black influencers are taking a liking to the right.
     
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    You sound rather uninformed on that topic then. There are even threads here. A national candidate D seeking the highest office made that very claim. You only imagine no blacks vote R and you have the gall to call "strawman"? Unlike you, I dont believe no blacks vote R because I know better. Probably no blacks will read this because you know, the racist POS in the WH says they cant use the internet.


    O'Rourke seeks end of voter ID laws that he calls 'racist'
    apnews.com › article


    Mar 19, 2019 — KEENE, N.H. (AP) — Democrat Beto O'Rourke is calling for an end to what he sees as "racist voter ID laws" during his first presidential ...
     
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    So if Ima Republican and I don't have a solution in my head (yet), I should not debate?

    Right-O! :buggered:
     
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    Another oversimplification, not surprising.

    He showed support for the BLM group, which is a terrorist group. Not black lives.

    But I have to give the left credit. They know how to lie just right. Calling the organization black lives matter, instead of something else was genius. That way anyone who condemns such a garbage terrorist organization, even in no uncertain terms, is the accused of saying black lives don't matter. Because the name is actually a statement as well.

    Either way, my point was correct and very well put. Your oversimplification is indicative of your arguments not really being effective on their own merit.
     
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    BLM is not a terrorist group, if it was then trump would have declared it one.
    Hell it’s not even actually a group.
    Let’s compare that to this gem:
    “When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.”
     
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    I wont indulge your trolling. You know darn well they have and who exactly it was.
     
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    BLM is a genuine terrorist group. They use violence as their status quo for political change. From an objective standpoint they are a terrorist group.

    Lol, now BLM isnt a group? They arent organized? They dont raise money? They dont have a leader? Lmaooo. Just like antifa huh? I suppose the gullible will believe anything, though I dont suspect you actually believe that lol.

    So where did he say that mexicans are rapists?

    Are you suggesting that those sneaking over illegally aren't often times bringing drugs? That none of them have raped anyone? None are gangbangers? None are human trafficking, which almost inherently involves rape? Smh.
     
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    White flag noted.
     
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    Only in your mind, as you ignore the evidence presented.
     
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    Lol you have to rewrite the quote to make it not racist. Unsurprising. I quote, “they’re rapists”.
    Why didn’t trump declare them a terrorist grouping then?
     
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    The evidence is “oh you know” lol
     
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    So why does he call it "racist"? He must think it very difficult for them to obtain ID.

    O'Rourke seeks end of voter ID laws that he calls 'racist'
    apnews.com › article


    Mar 19, 2019 — KEENE, N.H. (AP) — Democrat Beto O'Rourke is calling for an end to what he sees as "racist voter ID laws" during his first presidential ...
     
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    Except those who are a victim of it of course.

    What are you basing your description of "what little exists" on? How do you know?

    Wokeness is all part of the pendulum swinging in the opposite direction that it did for most of history in this country. Minorities, up until the last 30-40 years, had little voice. That has changed, and now the pendulum which spent hundreds of years in the corner of white exceptionalism has swung towards the opposite end, where white people are diminished in favor of lifting up minorities.

    It is not a position we want it to stay in, but nor do we want it to swing back to where it was. We're going to need to find a balance. Wokeness, while irritating, is just part of the transition process.

    That's ridiculous. Racism has not gotten worse, it's just gotten more vocal. Racism was always there, always, and still is. But now, because of the counter-push from the pendulum I mentioned earlier, racists feel threatened. They can sense the changing winds and it worries them to no end. This does not mean wokeness is the answer, because instead it's actually another problem that we're going to have to deal with. But it does show that things are shifting and moving away from where they stood for centuries.
     
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    I didnt rewrite the quote. I pointed out that at no point did he say what you are claiming he said. "They're rapists" is not the same thing as saying "mexicans are racist". Again, your arguments are as dishonest as it gets lol. You claim he said something he didnt, and when I point out he didnt, you falsely claim I rewrote his quote, which again didnt happen lol.

    Do you even know where you are right now? lmao
     
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    Victims of anything will perceive it as a big issue. That doesnt make it a systemic issue for the rest of society.

    Wokeness has proven ineffective, racism has gotten worse. Race relations have gotten worse. Polls indicate this. To pretend this isn't the case is ignorant. Wokeness is destructive and hateful. Its simply attempting to reverse the roles of historic oppression. The transition process will occur natrually without wokeness at its helm. I suspect a swing this far will result in another in the opposite direction as racial division and bitterness takes over.

    That is the fault of those who are "woke".
     
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    Then again, you aren't paying attention.

    And most evidence presented to you, you have simply ignored or misrepresented lol.
     
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    From the ALCU website:
    Background
    Voter identification laws are a part of an ongoing strategy to roll back decades of progress on voting rights. Thirty-four states have identification requirements at the polls. Seven states have strict photo ID laws, under which voters must present one of a limited set of forms of government-issued photo ID in order to cast a regular ballot – no exceptions.

    Voter ID laws deprive many voters of their right to vote, reduce participation, and stand in direct opposition to our country’s trend of including more Americans in the democratic process. Many Americans do not have one of the forms of identification states acceptable for voting. These voters are disproportionately low-income, racial and ethnic minorities, the elderly, and people with disabilities. Such voters more frequently have difficulty obtaining ID, because they cannot afford or cannot obtain the underlying documents that are a prerequisite to obtaining government-issued photo ID card.
    • Minority voters disproportionately lack ID. Nationally, up to 25% of African-American citizens of voting age lack government-issued photo ID, compared to only 8% of whites.
    https://www.aclu.org/other/oppose-voter-id-legislation-fact-sheet

    So ask yourself why aren't Democrats trying to help these people get an ID so that they can do all the things that white people can do?
    Things like:
    Buy Alcohol or Cigarettes
    Open a bank account
    Cash a check
    Apply for food stamps or welfare
    Apply for Medicaid
    Apply for Social Security
    Apply for unemployment
    Apply for a job
    Rent or buy a house
    Drive a car
    Buy a car
    rent a car
    get on an airplane
    Get married
    buy a gun
    adopt a pet
    Rent a hotel room
    Get a hunting or fishing license
    buy a cell phone
    Go to a casino
    Pick up a prescription
    Donate blood
    Buy video games
    Purchase nail polish
    Purchase certain cold medicines

    Why do Democrats not want minority people to partake in these activities the same as whites?
     
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    He says it’s racist because the people least likely to have them are people of color.
     

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