Civil war Books From the Southern Perspective

We're lucky to have won.

The traitors started it by taking up arms against their country.

P.S. Germany had a population of about 90m in 1939. We had 130m. Not a huge difference.

 

The sycophant traitors supporting the South are pathetic.

 

So having your soldiers purposefully attacked is not cause for attacking in return?

So if I go up and smack the crap out of you, you then are just going to walk away and do nothing? Sorry but I call coprolite on that.

You are just another Southern Apologist, and will ignore anything that does not fit your beliefs. Like you have pretty ignored every post written in response to anything you have said.

 

Southern Apologetics rest on cognitive dissonance and confirmation bias.

 

I like the topic of this thread and I'm obviously a little late getting here. Hope to find time to scroll through it today.

 

I haven't read any of those books but there are certainly others written from the Southern pov.

 

Too bad a wise Plantation Owner did not convert his operation to a more profitable
Yankee Factory System, Company Store and Company lodgings model.
No concern for elder care, nor the injured, sick, feeble, etc. Hire a New One.
No investment in the labor body as opposed to ownership.


Moi
Damnation to Bloody Lincoln and his Bloody War!

FREE Meng Wanzhou!
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Not much concern on many of the holdings in the south for "No concern for elder care, nor the injured, sick, feeble, etc. "

The factory system was terrible; slavery was worse.

 

A factory owner could not sell you to another factory.

A factory owner could not beat you if they were not happy with your work.

A factory owner did not pay taxes on you as if you were his property.

You could walk away from the factory job at any time you wanted, and did not have to worry about a posse with dogs chasing you down and bringing you back to the factory where you were then branded.

A factory owner could not sell your wife and children.

 

A factory owner could work you or your children in hazardous conditions.
Should injury or death occur, hire a new one. No loss of property.

A factory owner could also pay less than subsistence wages and if you didn't want the job, someone else did.


A smart plantation owner would have shifted to the factory system.
Wages for work. Not being sick or too old.
No wages, no food.
And then there is the rent.
And maybe pay in script redeemable at the company store.
Oh How I the Yankee Factory system.
Especially the part about those good folks in New England using
children to keep the looms going. Sometimes a child lost a finger.
Their small hands were better suited for working in the active loom machinery.


Moi

FREE Meng Wanzhou!

She has been charged and seeks extradition.
What took so long?
Blame !
Extradition hearing set for March 6.
Arrested December 1. Some speedy trial
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All of that, Moi621, shows is that the factory system was dangerous and unfair.

A factory owner did not own you or your children until their deaths, and that is the end of your argumentation.

 

Well there are the classic Southern books about the Civil War

"Damn, we have to pay the n****** now?"

"Were did all my slaves go?"

"All my cotton is still sitting in the fields" and its sequel "Is anyone going to pick my cotton for me, willing to pay....nothing"

 

And if the pay was to low or the work to dangerous the employees can quit and walk away.

A slave can not do that.

 

Not really.
Ever here of a "wage slave"?
There was no welfare, food stamps, no retirement, etc.

I am not saying it was wonderful to be a slave.
I am saying put it in perspective compared to the worker in a Yankee factory.

Why do you suppose the conditions of factory workers has been so over looked in discussion of the slavery times?

@Mushroom
Ever read "The Jungle" by Upton Sinclair. It is about times fifty years later.



Moi

FREE Meng Wanzhou!

She has been charged and seeks extradition.
What took so long?
Blame !
Extradition hearing set for March 6.
Arrested December 1. Some speedy trial ​

 

Anyone who defends that factory work was worse than Negro Chattel slavery in the south does not understand the facts and what they mean.

 

They could still simply walk away.

And come on now, Upton Sinclair? The guy who wrote novels and pretend that they were real?

In case you did not realize, The Jungle is a novel. It is fiction, it is not true. It is really just the equivalent of Atlas Shrugged for Socialists.

The Jungle indeed. I guess you also believe that Uncle Tom's Cabin was a typical real life experience of slavery in the antebellum South.

 

Remember that Trump thinks commercials are real.

 

The characters in The Jungle were certainly fiction

but , the conditions in the meat processing industry were

confirmed by President Teddy Roosevelt.



Walk away, sure, right, uh-huh
and do what to feed your wife and kids?
Think "wage slave".
Sure, in theory they could walk away.

Moi

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Wait, the same President Roosevelt that considered him to be a hysterical crackpot?

You need to be damned careful making such claims, because then people like myself can actually jump out and bite you in the butt with them.

http://teachingamericanhistory.org/library/document/to-upton-sinclair/

What President Roosevelt believed was that some of the claims of tainted meat and adulterated food were real. And because of that he helped push through the Pure Food and Drug Act. But he considered him to be a "muckraker and crackpot" and pretty much rejected his claims that Socialism was the cure to the ills of the worker.

https://courses.lumenlearning.com/suny-americanlit2/chapter/upton-sinclair-biography/

Now, care to try again, without implying that President Roosevelt agreed with and supported him? In this you completely and utterly failed.

 

TR is not guilty of almost all that has been alleged against him.

 

The characters were fiction.
Tainted meat was real.
Working conditions were real.
Do we agree on that?


And President Theodore Roosevelt was a great President.
He did something about the details mentioned in Muckrakers books and articles.

BTW I did a term paper on "The Muckrakers" and their effect on America.
It was "positive", good.
Remember, they were writing some 40 years after the War Between the States.
A slave being property was in some ways better off than the
Yankee factory worker.
Too sick to work, no wages.
Injured at work, hire a new one.

Free to walk away, - - - Get Real!&!
Walk away where? And do what for food and shelter.
And can't we reject the idea that all slave owners were sadistic and abusive?
Sadism and abuse is not a way to treat property, it is an employee.
"Employees are rungs on a latter.
Don't hesitate to step on them on the path to profits."
Ferengi Rule of Acquisition.
Ferengi were inspired by Yankee business profit seekers. Yes they were.
Too little is taught about the Yankee factory era and its' effects on people.




Moi

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What about Klansmen? They and other groups that tried to persecute Jews, Catholics, Irish, and other minorities were also muckrackers. Are they and their effect good as well?

Or are you only singling out those which you believe in as such?

Myself, I hate them all equally, if I agree with them or not. You either deal with things honestly and accurately, or you are full of crap as far as I am concerned.

You are more concerned with the message than the way it is delivered. To me, muckrackers of all sorts fall into the arena of the "Fruit of the poisonous tree". Of course, I also am an extreme moderate, who distrusts the fanatics on both side of the political spectrum.

And you really bring up the Ferengi? Fantasy "Space Jews", who's very name is the Persian word for "Foreigner"?

 

Off topic tangent
to our discussion and the edited quote.

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Investigative journalists are just another way to identify muckrakers.

 

Like (Saint) Edward R. Morrow?

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