Climate Change 2022: Mitigation of Climate Change

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  1. Jack Hays

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    Just replying to your #421 in a discussion not about the USA.
    "In the cases where capitalism doesn't work, steps can be required."
     
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    Another supposed "green" energy source that is not really green.
    Researchers: Wood Burning Unsustainable, Huge Footprint…”Will Accelerate Warming For Decades”
    By P Gosselin on 17. June 2022

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    “Worse than fossil fuels”…wood burning “must stop…”

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    Source: Klimaschau 115

    Governments and activists like claiming that burning wood and wood pellets from trees in power plants is an effective way to reduce global CO2 emissions. Yet researchers now say it is in fact having the opposite effect.

    Hat-tip: Klimaschau 115

    A team led by Laura Bloomer concluded here in a report that “burning trees and other forest biomass for energy is contrary to climate mitigation, biodiversity protection, and environmental justice goals” and that “governments must stop promoting climate-damaging forest bioenergy.” The researchers are calling for a stop to the folly of burning trees.

    Takes decades to offset

    According to the Institute for Governance and Sustainable Development (IGSD) press release, such bioenergy indeed “has a substantial greenhouse gas (GHG) footprint and will accelerate warming for decades” and “in fact, burning woody biomass releases more carbon dioxide (CO2) than fossil fuels per unit of energy” and that it takes many decades for tree regrowth to offset those emissions. . . .
     
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    How are you all in the Central and Southern US enjoying climate change?

    Note that summer hasn't officially started yet.

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    Several degrees cooler than normal today here in Virginia, and 2022 has been cool thus far.
     
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    Uh huh, and if you had a clue what you are arguing you would know that means nothing.

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    As can be seen, we are going to break the 1.5 degree C ceiling we were hoping to avoid. Now experts [meaning no one here] are calculating how bad the damage will be and are setting a new goal to remain under 2 degrees of warming.
     
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    You're the one who posted (#429) a one-day temperature snapshot as if it were important. Don't be upset when you are slam dunked by data.

    Meanwhile, global temperature has been cooling since 2016.
    Solar Update September, 2021
    2021 › 09 › 22 › solar-update-september-2021
    by solar hemisphere 1985 – 2021 ... Breaking down solar activity by hemisphere shows that solar activity ... relative length of the solar cycles. ... Figure 6: F10.7 flux for solar cycles 19 to 25 aligned
    modulates the solar signal on the decadal scale, but that the QBO is itself modulated by the solar variability
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    Our planet’s temperature peaked in 2016 and has been in a disciplined decline since. It is in a channel 0.5°C wide with a slope of -0.03°C per annum. The atmosphere had been warming at 0.013°C per annum according to Dr Roy Spencer’s work. If the established cooling trend continues it will only take another decade to get back to the temperatures of the early 1980s. With the cooling trend firmly established, the question is: Can the proximate cause be found in the solar record?

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    But... but..... it's sustainable... LMAO... of course it takes decades to regrow the tress, but who cares, and the process is pretty dirty... democrats fall for anything these days...
     
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    You mean, the fact that temps are still lower than they were in the 1930s? That climate change? Do you suppose that making the world look red helps your case? Oooh... look, it's red..... And yes, we associate that with socialism..
     
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    No, temps have risen since 1930's:
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    As for color, you should try to put your biases aside and consider the issue.
     
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    What issue is there to consider other than these graphs are essentially saying we are within the margin of error and still well under the "expected" moderation of 1.9C, are we not? Gosh, the horror of the angry colors of your graph. The actual truth is that the "average" temp is still something like 10C lower than previous interglacial eras. You know it, I know it, everyone knows it. But hyperventilate away.

    In the US, in the 30s, which was the actual reference demonstrates that there were far more 100F days throughout the nation than there are today. Gosh, the horror to learn that for your narrative. And instead of using an apple to apple for comparison, you brought a guava... Why? Because you think you can scare folks into adopting your other political notions. Simple stuff. Basic used car salesman tactics. It's why no one really cares.

    You know what folks actually care about? When Joe Biden says, it's awesome that gas prices are sooo high it makes folks think buying super expensive electric cars is a viable option for them. Hmm.....
     
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    My post countered the claim made concerning 1930 temperatures.
     
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    Are you sure? Because it clearly doesn't reflect the data that we all have access to, that NOAA for sure has access to. And the number of 100 degree days are far fewer than they were then. And we know this. And yet, folks in government like NOAA insist on making the claim that isn't true is a prerogative of their agencies. Sorry you seem confused by this.
     
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    Then cite it.
     
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    Just one example.

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    There are more.
     
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    There are places in the world other than continental USA.
     
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    Hmm.. who knew. And more to the fact then, how did NOAA collect the data since, as you say, one NOAA hadn't been set up yet, and two, most of the world never recorded their temps.... But details, right? Which is why the fire at the dusty library at the corrupt college in the UK was so interesting... But climate gate your way.... So, you're acknowledging though, for this set of conditions, that I described, that I'm right here. I mean, you do now admit this.
     
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    LOL!!
     
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    Just wondering where the change is. I've lived here nearly 4 decades. Summers are always hot
    It's rather dry here when it's normally quite humid but that's common for a la niña year.
     
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    Evangelical environmentalists aren't worth arguing with.

    It's like talking to a creationist any dinosaurs.
     
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    Nonsense.

    The problem is that people refuse to cite scientific support for their opinions.

    Instead, they just continue making personal claims, ignore that the issue is world wide, cite studies that have been rejected as falsifying climate change by the vast majority of climate scientists, etc.

    THOSE are the actions of evangelicals.
     

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