Climate Change 2022: Mitigation of Climate Change

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  1. Jack Hays

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    The authors said the corrections did not alter their conclusions. They remain the product of sleight-of-hand.
    And the claim of increased hurricane intensity remains a theme in both peer-reviewed research and the general media.
     
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    I'm not sure of the exact nature of the "sleight of hand" claim, but it's unfortunate that the peer review didn't catch that if it is real.

    As for the rest, this is ONE PAPER. There are lots of papers that appear to support different sides of the numerous sub issues of climatology.

    I'd also note in one of the very early comments that this Heartland screed includes data from Dr. Maue - who agrees with the conclusions of the study.

    How about trying to stick to science when the topic is science?

    I'm really tired of these political blogs presenting views that are not supported by scientists in the field of study.
     
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    The sleight-of-hand is well explained in the link at #499.
    Dr. Maue's data are used to refute the study. How about reading before posting?
     
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    I noted that Dr. Maue is claimed to be in SUPPORT of the paper.

    Your Heartland blogger is not some sort of controller of the the science on this topic.

    You want to think that Mr. Heartland is the authority. But, that is just plain BS.
     
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    You are embarrassing yourself. Maue is cited to refute the paper, not support it.

    ". . . As an initial matter, the authors are dubiously claiming that merely 20 years of a minor variation in hurricane numbers is sufficient to prove a substantial long-term trend and a definitive link to climate change as the causal factor. This is a preposterous claim to make over such a short period. For example, objective data – as shown in the graph below (see climatlas.com/tropical/global_running_ace.png) – show that over a 25-year period from 1992 through 2014, the frequency of hurricanes declined significantly and the frequency of major hurricanes did not increase at all. . . . "
     
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    The point still stands.

    Your Heartland blogger is obviously highly motivated by politics, NOT science.

    That blogger claimed himself as the one to believe - NOT a scientist or group of scientists with credentials in the area.

    And, as for the paper, it is still ONE PAPER. Even if it should be tossed, that is NOT an indication of some larger problem that you so far have not identified.
     
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    I prefer to focus on the quality of the presentation rather than the tribal affiliation of the author. I still recommend you actually read the article.
     
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    You aren't motivated by science either. It's alarmism and partisanship that motivates you. If you were motivated by science you would be skeptical of claims

    I think a lot of people appeal to the 97% myth a claim that has been completely debunked. So if you're doing by that it's religion.
     
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    That post was written by the leader of one of the most political organizations in America - an organization that is NOT dedicated to science.

    Of course I read the article - my posts indicate that.

    But, the point remains that it is an article, NOT a scientific paper, and YOU point out that there are scientists in the field who do not agree on what that paper says.

    It's YOU who is focusing on "tribal affiliation", NOT science.
     
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    I'm certainly skeptical of claims.

    But, skepticism does NOT lead to a personal decision that one paper is right and all the rest of climatology is wrong.

    There is NOTHING "skeptical" about that.

    Oh, and you can try to debunk the depth of the scientific consensus on Earth warming due to human activity.
     
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    No you aren't.
    this is your religion. All of climate science isn't unified. This is a lie.
    In skeptical of your unfounded rather absurd religious claim that all of climatology agrees with you. If they do that's a cult.
    I can't debunk cult beliefs calling your beliefs science is a lie.

    That's what I'm skeptical of.
     
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    I'm certainly skeptical of claims.

    But, skepticism does NOT lead to a personal decision that one paper is right and all the rest of climatology is wrong.

    There is NOTHING "skeptical" about that.

    Oh, and you can try to debunk the depth of the scientific consensus on Earth warming due to human activity.
    Wow, you REALLY went off the rails that time!!

    So, just about every bit of climatology is a cult, therefore consulting climatologists other than the tiny percent you accept indicates a failure to be skeptical!!!

    LOL!
     
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    Actually, your posts suggest you don't read. Your Maue flub was startling.
     
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    I must have touched a nerve.
    No just the cultists.
    Claiming an entire branch of science as proprietary to your religion isn't dispelling that cult claim is affirming it. That's what all cults do.
     
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    80% of the world is not in on this moronic fraud that is CC. Period. Obsessing about the USA getting rid of fossil fuels will not change that. These other countries will not change and have no desire to change.

    In fact the developing world will need and use fossil fuels more as they duh, develop. Also these countries will continue to grow their populations 5% a year.

    It is all a lie. A white western obsession.

    It is not science it is about control of our economy and power.
     
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    Looking to the behavior of third world countries to judge the science related to climate is REALLY ridiculous, don't you think?

    After all, what is it about Pakistan's economic actions that YOU would accept as falsifying any actual science that is accepted across the entire first world???

    And, as for your conspiracy theory, maybe you should give some serious evidence of that. After all, if you have no evidence, people should know you're just making stuff up.
     
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    I was not using the actions of 80% of the rest of the world to dispute the science. I was stating a fact that 80% of the world does not give a damn and will not comply and have not complied.

    So if you really believe the bullcrap about catastrophe being just a decade away then you might as well commit suicide.

    People need to stop looking at this as a USA problem only like the world evolves around us. Fossil fuels are a plentiful and affordable energy source for the world's poor and that will not change for the next 50 years.
     
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    Despite all the talk about climate change. Despite the use of corn as a fuel source for vehicles. 80% of our energy still comes from fossil fuels today in 2022.

    We were told we would run out of energy by now. Lies!
    We were told the east coast would be under water by now. Lies!
    We were told there would be mass starvation and a decline in the world's standard of living. Lies!

    The so called science said those things and they have only been wrong every single time.

    Joe Biden does not believe in CC if he did he would not be begging other countries to drill more oil. He would be berating China from building coal plants and mining more coal for those plants. China represents almost 30% of the world's carbon emissions and libos do not care. You hear any democrats in congress railing about China ruining the planet?

    If these liars really believed in this so called science they would be scared as hell of India who is developing fast and has 1.4B people. India's per capita(Per capita!) carbon emissions has doubled in the last 20 years. They will double again in the next 20.

    This is all about white guilt and white self hate.
     
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    when you say science everybody else understands you're talking about a religion that you're just trying to present more legitimacy for.

    This is a world problem. So looking at the world is the only way to ever find a solution.

    Looking at your religious beliefs that you call science will never get anybody anywhere ever for anything at all.

    It might help sell electric cars that have any far greater carbon footprint than a conventional car. But I don't expect you to accept reality because it goes against your religion.
    I'm not going to say your religion is false are true that's more of a spiritual judgment and as far as the realm of this discussion is concerned it's not really relevant
    are you kidding me? The Holiness of green is the biggest conspiracy that our planet has ever seen. New people believe all sorts of lies I bet you think you can recycle plastic? I bet you think electric cars are good for the environment, I bet most of the people that are more wealthy that buy electric car take cruises.

    I'm starting to wonder if environmentalism is less of a religion and more of a fashion statement.
    You don't try and convince someone that the religious beliefs are wrong have you ever heard of the Dunning Kruger effect it is a pointless endeavor.

    Look at all of the information that's been provided on this thread none of it is good enough for you. That's because this is a religion for you.

    This is why it's so frustrating to argue with skeptics. You are making the exact same arguments Christian people did back when I argued with them about this sort of thing.
     
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    Pointing at others might mean something if WE weren't the second worst offenders in the entire world on a per capita basis.

    But, given the situation, pointing fingers is laughable.

    Plus, as we see today the USA is working hard to be worse than that.
     
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    What does per capita have to do with anything? Because you hate your own country? Let the earth be ruined while you castigate AmeriKKKa!

    Let this sink in. We could become 100% carbon free(An impossibility by the way) and that only reduces carbon emissions 14% worldwide.

    It is not about pointing fingers I know China is the democrats' fave country. It is simple reality.
     
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    Your false accusations about religion are just you trying out ad hom as a method of science.

    Sorry, you lose.
    Your last paragraph is absolutely laughable.
     
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    The first step is to recognize the truth of the science of climatology.

    After that comes the effort to do something about it.

    >>>We hold NO sway with other countries when WE are far worse than THEY are.

    In fact, having America whine about the greenhouse emissions of other countries is just about the most STUPID thing we could possible due if we want America to look like more than self involved twits.

    Is THAT what you want? Is that the level of your care about America and our influence?

    And, per capita is the only valid measure, as countries have different populations.
     
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    The only whiners are the climate alarmists.
    The US has nothing to apologize for.
     
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