Climate Change and Fossil Fuels

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  1. Dissily Mordentroge

    Dissily Mordentroge Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If all that is the case how then are the political obstacles in Australia to be overcome?
     
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    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You do realize that decades ago, the right was advocating generating electricity using nuclear reactors.
     
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    Chernobyl has little to do with Nuclear power except the N.

    It was a graphite moderated plant like the Plutonium production facility at Hanford, WA. We knew about the low power instability in graphite moderated plants and didn't even tell our friends much less our enemies. The Brits had a similar accident at Windscale --- they too had to learn from experience --- a feature of the Cold War mentality.

    The unique aspect of Chernobyl was delivered by socialism, the abject disregard for subjects of the regime. A few years back I met a Ukrainian whose family was sent to clean up the particulate mess after the Chernobyl accident. They were sick then. By now they're likely all dead.
     
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    Yeah whatever, I've lived it. Maybe in your country the propaganda was different at the time, because that's what it was then and that's what it is now.

    SO you want to be 'green' but don't want to give up your plastics? How hypocritical. Can't give up your toys huh? The sheer ignorance of the left is exemplified by their lack of knowledge of what is made with plastics that come from fossil fuels.
     
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    Mercilessly shame the left wing anti-nuclear crowd as anti-science.

    Mercilessly shame the right wing anti-nuclear crowd as anti-innovation.

    Appeal to the right wing working class with jobs, low power prices.

    Appeal to the left wing working class with jobs, low power prices, a reasonable feed in tariff for household solar, and a massive reduction of carbon pollution.

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    It's a long road ahead, but the only viable one which reduces our impact on climate change to a reasonable level while providing cheap, abubdant, 24/7/365 electricity and energy independence for households with solar at a reasonable price.

    I am not opposed to renewable energy, on the contrary we should use top tier renewables like hydro, geothermal, tidal where possible. Wind in particular is ideal for remote towns. Solar will reduce everyone's grid use on a household level.

    Hydro and geothermal are manna from heaven, but are geographically based, not scalable.

    When you ask: "where have nations successfully reduced the majority of their carbon from energy production" you get only places with abundant hydro or geothermal like Norway, or nations with a robust nuclear power industry like France.

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    Alas, I concede that this is a tough sell with the false perceptions, conspiracy theories, and fake info surrounding modern, safe, nuclear power.

    Hopefully big players like China, India, and the US follow suit. That said, they all have nuclear power at least haha.

    It's a smart political move for the Liberal Party. Win the unwinnable election on energy policy then deliver carbon neutral, cheap energy and a new Australian industry.
     
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    I get it. You have your anecdotal media based evidence. I gave you the reasons. There is nothing hypocritical about it. Only one way to manufacture plastics we know of. Multiple ways to generate power, with one way obviously much less harmful and more efficient. I'll take that method. If there's another way to manufacture plastics, maybe synthetically, we need that too. Meanwhile, we could cut down on plastic usage.
     
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