Climate change may end human civilization by 2050

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  1. ARDY

    ARDY Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Funny, a lot of us do exactly that. Our parents tell us that IF we dont get an education we will regret it. If we do not use Birth control we likely might wind up supporting an unwanted child. If we don't get a vaccination, we might get very sick. If we do not floss and brush our teeth.... if we start using heroin.... if we do not pay our bills. .if we do not get to work on time.... if we do not watch our diet... if we do not make reservations...if we do not change the oil.... if we rob a bank.... if we do not look both ways before crossing... if we do not take a shower.... if we do not obey a police officer... if we do not pay our taxes....if we do not water our lawn... if we do not cook chicken.... if we do not believe in jesus...if we are careless with guns... if we do not have a gun to defend ourselves...if the government takes away our guns... if we raise taxes... if we do not build a border wall...if the constitution is ignored...if freedom of speech is compromised... if we let this nation become socialistic...if we let iran act with impunity...if we do not maintain a strong military.... if we ignore the national debt... if trump is impeached..if the courts are populated by liberals
     
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    Unfortunately the AGW scam has given scientist a bad name as political activist pose as real scientist much as political activist now pose as journalist.. I look forward to this hoax finally fading away so real science can regain the place it deserves in our society. Journalism may be lost forever.
     
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    Difference is those are real and time proven basic truths for the most part and are if's not what if's. Your what if's are more comparable to being afraid of getting out of bed in the morning because if all the what if's in life. What if I slip and fall in the shower? What if my breakfast is contaminated with salmonella? What if I get in a wreck on the way to work? What if someone shoots up my job site? What if...... You better just stay in bed.;)
     
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    So, in order for you to be concerned about the possibility of long term damage to The habitability of the planet.... we would have to prove the potential damage by actually destroying The habitability a few time so that we know the danger ie “real”?

    What would happen if we ignored the constitution is completely hypothetical.... what would happen if we elected hillary is hypothetical, what would happen if the government took away all guns is hypothetical. What would happen if we did stuff that melted the ice caps, destroyed the glaciers. Raised earths temp by 4 degrees....?

    Is it realistically possible that we COULD do these things....yes.

    Is it realistically possible that we ARE doing these things.... yes

    Is it realistically possible that doing these things WOULD make earth to be significantly less habitable for our children...yes

    Is it possible that we do not CARE what we leave to our children? Apparently it is possible.

    Why would we not care about our children?
    Apparently the most important thing to us Is to tell the other side of the partisan divide to go xxxx themselves.
     
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    Okay let's play your what if game. What if you are wrong and we destroy entire industries and the millions of families that depend on them to survive? What if we opt for known environmental damage such as mining rare earth, and bulldozing thousands of acres of pristine desert for solar plants and killing millions of birds a year in windmills based on a hypothetical that ultimately proved to be wrong? The what if's here are endless of all the damage that would or could occur if we elevate an unproven hypothesis to the top of our list so yeah I need hard evidence and don't operate on what if.
     
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    NOTHING in that is true. ZERO. Every word is false. The scientists are WORLD-WIDE. They are professionals and their work is peer-reviewed and critiqued. The right is on a tear to undermine all our institutions from law to science to journalism. TO THE RIGHT WING EXTREMISTS, EVERYTHING OTHER THAN THEIR OWN PROPAGANDA IS A "HOAX". The whole world knows the hoax is the right wing bullshit. Britain just told Trump about that issue.
     
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    ARDY Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Please give an example

    As you are aware, every choice has consequences.... if you build a freeway, it has consequences! If you mine coal, it has consequences, if you burn coal it has consequences. If you make a choice it has consequences. If you make a different choice it has consequences. And if you make no choice there are also consequences

    Which hypothetical might be proved wrong?
    That co2 is a greenhouse gas?
    That we are increasing the atmospheric concentration of GHG?
    That the rate of sea level rise is accelerating?
    That we have no alternate explanation for the acceleration of sea level risE?
    That if sea level rise continues to accelerate it will be a big problem in the future?
    That glaciers are melting?

    Once again i ask you to detail which specific things you are referring to

    Btw, i will also accept your “hard evidence” about anything we are discussing
     
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    The DNC refused to have a climate change presidential debate
     
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    Show me the hard evidence of AGW. Obviously you have none or you wouldn't have resorted to long diatribes on "what if" it's true. It's either fact or it's not. Saying "what if" it's true is an admission it is not. But once again if you are convinced in your mind that it's fact feel free to alter your life accordingly. I have no interest in forcing my opinion on you and I'll I ask from true believers is don't try to force your beliefs on me. Fair enough?
     
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    The so called scientist that push the AGW agenda that claims man is now the primary cause if climate change is a very small fraction of scientist in the world and in fact if they are really scientist at all is debateable in and if itself. Meteorologist are not exactly Einstein or Galileo or Oppenheimer. They are meteorologist just like half the ditzy little blonde weather girls on your television. A few years in some liberal college being spoon fed by leftist professors and whiz bang, you're a scientist. LOL

    As for journalism. CNN, nuff said.
     
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    If there is more heat the strong will survive, the fat and the weak will not. Go Darwin Go.:roflol:

    Change is gonna come.:rock_slayer:
     
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    What effort has anyone made to address it? US never ratified Kyoto but we made larger strides than any of the countries that did. And again, even after leaving the Paris debacle, the US once again leads the world in reducing CO2 emissions.

    https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&sou...aw1I_H4PFq8FCRrKoWEgudFN&ust=1560000263622667
     
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    Bunk. Those ditzy blond weather girls don't have PhDs in their areas of expertise. Try these:

    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/30000-scientists-reject-climate-change/
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_climate_scientists
    https://thebestschools.org/features/top-climate-change-scientists/http://mentalfloss.com/article/93365/10-facts-about-being-climate-scientist-climate-scientists

     
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    Man is adding huge quantities if co2 to atmosphere
    Co2 is a ghg
    Sea level rise is significantly increasing
    This rise can only be caused by added heat from GW
    co2 rise correlates exactly with rise in rate of sea level
    Co2 is the only possible cause of this added heat
    Therefore AGW



    There are innumerable issues and risks that governments must address on a policy ... vaccination for example
    It does not matter if everyone agrees with the risk, or the policy
    So you vote as you choose, as i do
     
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    "Those 3% of scientific papers that deny climate change? A review found them all flawed"

    "It’s often said that of all the published scientific research on climate change, 97% of the papers conclude that global warming is real, problematic for the planet, and has been exacerbated by human activity.

    But what about those 3% of papers that reach contrary conclusions?

    according to a review published in the journal of Theoretical and Applied Climatology. The researchers tried to replicate the results of those 3% of papers—a common way to test scientific studies—and found biased, faulty results.

    Katharine Hayhoe, an atmospheric scientist at Texas Tech University, worked with a team of researchers to look at the 38 papers published in peer-reviewed journals in the last decade that denied anthropogenic global warming.

    “Every single one of those analyses had an error—in their assumptions, methodology, or analysis—that, when corrected, brought their results into line with the scientific consensus,” Hayhoe wrote in a Facebook post.

    Broadly, there were three main errors in the papers denying climate change. Many had cherry-picked the results that conveniently supported their conclusion, while ignoring other context or records. Then there were some that applied inappropriate “curve-fitting”—in which they would step farther and farther away from data until the points matched the curve of their choosing.

    And of course, sometimes the papers just ignored physics altogether. “In many cases, shortcomings are due to insufficient model evaluation, leading to results that are not universally valid but rather are an artifact of a particular experimental setup,” the authors write.


    Etc., etc., etc.
    https://qz.com/1069298/the-3-of-scientific-papers-that-deny-climate-change-are-all-flawed/
     
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    Other countries are taking steps but the issue HERE is that we must first get the political will behind the science and the effort.
     
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    The effort is already being made. The US is far outpacing the rest of the world in CO2 reduction despite not being a part of any international agreement.

    What more should the US be doing?
     
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    The GND.
     
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    Oh yea. No more air travel. Rolling brown and black outs. Famine. Sounds glorious.


    Edit: I just realized that's the point. A massive genocide in the US means much less need for electricity, travel, shipping, and food. Thus we have much lower CO2 output.
     
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    Not true. You're parroting scare tactics. Congrats. And the proof it's not true is anyone with any common sense knows there will never be an end to air travel.

    Your new "realization" illustrates your grasp of it.
     
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    Wow, that starts off with a false premise and I bet you fell for it.
     
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    On sea level.
    YAAAWN
    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017...ng-sea-levels-two-years-amidst-media-blackout

    On voting.
    Just as I've always said about AGW. Be very afraid and vote democrat.
     
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    well you never know, maybe the world will shift it's magnetic field and all the ozone will go into space and that solve the problme or create new problem as once that is lost, no getting it back

    so yes, new variables could come into play, but as things are now, it's not looking good
     
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    This is true, there will never be an end to air travel. Just as there will never be an end to mining, to logging, to farming, and all the other things we enjoy by living in a modern world. Therefore, there will still be CO2 emissions and still be increasing atmospheric CO2 concentrations and rising temperatures.

    The Green New Deal will not address global climate or income inequality. Regardless of which GND plan one wants to promote, they are all just another flirtation with crony capitalism.
     

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