Clinical trials for Moderna, Pfizer, AstraZeneca, NOT COMPLETE until 2023!

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  1. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    What this means is that we are all participating in a massive experiment. Now, the guy who has this blog is controversial, but the links to the clinical trials are legit gov sites and the claims of when the (phase 3) ends are factual, I checked.
    And, no, I don't approve of his language, you know, 'so - called' etc.

    https://www.drrobertyoung.com/post/the-fast-tracking-for-worldwide-inoculation-what-you-should-know

    The vaccines for SARS CoVid-2 or also renamed as CoVid-19 have been fast tracked from 10 years to 1 year. It is important for us all to be aware that the clinical trials of these so-called "vaccines" or "gene therapy" inoculations do not finish until 2023!!

    Anyone who receives the so-called "vaccine" which is being rolled out Worldwide will be participating in a "vaccine clinical human trial". This will be the largest human experiment on the human race in history!!! And, the first time that animal studies have been by-passed for human experimentation to determine safety, tolerability, immunogenicity and efficacy for the RNA vaccine candidates.


    Please understand that the clinical trail for the Pfizer inoculation will NOT be completed till January 27th 2023!!! Here is the link: https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04368728

    Please understand that the Moderna human trials come to a close on December 2023 !!! Here is the link: https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT03897881

    And finally, please understand that the AstraZeneca human trials will reach completion in February 2023 !!! https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04516746
     
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    No probs. In my country the general public isn't likely to have access to the vaccines before then anyway. Americans and Europeans can guinea pig for us.

    t's not like you guys didn't volunteer to be guinea pigs, letting the virus do whatever it wanted to do.
     
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    The moderna link appears to point to a clinical trial unrelated to the covid vaccine, and only includes 150 participants.
     
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    Yep, it seems he did not check the links form whatever source he got them from.

    The Moderna link....
    An Efficacy Study of Adjuvant Treatment With the Personalized Cancer Vaccine mRNA-4157 and Pembrolizumab in Patients With High-Risk Melanoma
     
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    The source...Robert Oldham Young (born March 6, 1952) is an American naturopath convicted of fraud and author of alternative medicine books promoting an alkaline diet.

    He is not a doctor, he did not get a medical degree, and the degree he did get was from a school that is now bankrupt that was never accredited.

    But people will believe him over 10,000 actual doctors and scientist.

    Just makes no sense.
     
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    It is amazing to me that people will consider the mere presence of a link, any link, to be support for an assertion, and not even bother to explore the content of the supporting link.
     
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    This guy has pled guilty and been to jail for practicing medicine without a license. And he forgot to tell his patients he did not have a license.
     
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    It is totally valid to be aware of and even concerned about the fact that the vaccines for this pandemic had to be developed, tested and receive emergency approval very quickly (and I'd be amazed if there is anyone who isn't aware of that). It's also good to be aware that further testing and close monitoring of those vaccines is ongoing regardless.

    That said, I wouldn't have a lot of faith in a source of information who doesn't know the name of the virus, doesn't understand the difference between the name of the virus and the name of the illness it causes, incorrectly puts the word vaccine in quotes and misrepresents them as gene therapy. Given you seem to acknowledge at least some of that, why did you still choose to link, and therefore promote, such a flawed and potentially dishonest source in the first place? You could have just linked the clinical trial references directly and stuck with your own commentary.
     
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    I really hope you all vaccinate before 2023. You can’t keep borders basically closed and keep shutting down off and on for two years can you?
     
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    No surprise here. Attack the messenger and ignore the message, so typical in a time of universal deception.

    The OP is correct--all those taking the injection are test subjects. Most have no problems, but some die quickly. Because it's been going on for just a few months, the long term effects won't be known for years.

    All over a scam in favor of Pharma and others.

    Why take an experimental drug issued under EUA when the disease can be cured by Ivermectin and other therapies?

    Mass hysteria was induced 12 months ago, and this is the result. Plandemic all the way.
     
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    Right, I should have just referenced the trials. I only wanted to give him credit for alerting me to the fact that the trials wouldn't be finished till '23
     
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    When the messenger is a convicted felon that pled guilty to practicing medicine without a license and lying to his "patients" as well being on the wrong side of a 100 million dollar law suit for causing the death of a patient as well as still calling himself a doctor while having no medical training at all....yes it is appropriate to attack the messenger.

    But I understand this guy is right up your alley, he is only one step below the dentist that you thought was a front line doctor.
     
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    what lock-down are you on now, 4, 5, 6 ????
     
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    There is NO medicine OR procedure where testing could be considered "complete".

    In fact, this is a principle of all science.

    It could well be that a specific test program has a completion date.

    But, that certainly is NOT an end to the broader question of whether there are issues with ANY of the wide range of medications and treatments we administer.

    As of now, more than 700,000,000 people have been vaccinated, including 175,000,000 in the USA.

    So, one might ask how THAT test is going.


    One might also note that if ALL the reports of people getting various symptoms after having been vaccinated were actually the fault of the vaccine, it would still be FAR FAR safer to get vaccinated.
     
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    Well I sure hope we keep borders closed until then! And yes we absolutely can do that ... because despite no one coming in or out of the country (for anything other than essential business/trade), our economy is actually booming.

    The mini - localised - shut downs are refined to the point where it only takes a few days to halt progress of infections, so while they're not fun and have an impact on some businesses, it's a much smaller cost than rampant COVID, beccause we're back at full speed at all other times. Crowds, sport, cinemas, domestic travel, wining/dining, schools, universities, nightclubs, church, no masks, etc etc. All back to normal.
     
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    No lock downs here, at all. We have ocassional mini lockdowns (as in a single part of a city, or a single city), but they're over with quickly. You know why they're so effective? Because we ACTUALLY lock down - completely.
     
  17. Patricio Da Silva

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    Most new vaccines have 3 phases, and for all intents and purposes, the trials end after phase three. Right? I understand there have been millions vaxxed, knock on wood, but it was a gamble, fortunately it's paying off.
     
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    I agree with that. It was an exception from normal procedure made due to circumstances, trading off normal levels of confidence against the numbers of COVID victims and our lack of methods of treatment.

    Yes, I think I blew the numbers because of the difference between number of doses and number of those vaccinated.

    Also, let's remember that if we had waited for those studies to complete, we would then be part of the trial that is the broad scale application of the vaccine to the general public..

    ALL medicine is a trial, and testing never stops. When someone has a medical problem, the medical treatments the individual has received are very seriously considered as factors that could take part. Patient outcomes are studied on a continuing basis to determine if existing practices are causing problems. Doctors ask what medications/drugs/hollistic crap their patients are taking in order to help determine if those are contributing to the problem.

    During this past year, practices such as when to intubate, when to roll patients, what remedies show success, etc., were a major front against this disease - something medicine is ALWAYS doing.

    If you were referring to a new COVID vaccine, then tracking the process for certifying the vaccine would make sense.

    But, for the vaccines that have had hundreds of millions of applications, that really is no more than anti-vax propaganda.
     
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    So what? That's what always happens with EMERGENCY Use Authorization. Regular and full approval takes a couple of years, as phase 3 participants continue to be followed for long-term side effects, if any. That's business as usual. It's what happens for ALL medications, so no need for this IDIOT to make a big drama out of it.

    But it's perfectly fine to issue EUAs when a pandemic is raging and the benefits of the vaccines clearly outweigh the risks. And this IDIOT who is saying we're participating in a "vaccine clinical human trial" hasn't realized that freaking 772 million doses of these vaccines have been administrated and the problems happened in a very tiny minority of people (I calculated at some point at 0.0008%), so, yes, this vast trial has been EXTREMELY successful and these vaccines are EXTREMELY safe and EXTREMELY efficacious, much more than most medications routinely used by everybody, I bet, including by this IDIOT.

    772 million doses is MUCH better than any clinical trial. The safety of these vaccines is now thoroughly demonstrated.

    Let the IDIOTIC anti-vaxxers complain. They shouldn't take the vaccine; they should just qualify for the Darwin Award so that humankind's gene pool goes up a couple of intelligence points.
     
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    My worry is that in many states, they are loosening up maybe opening up too soon, thinking the bug is behind us when it isn't, and maybe the variants are getting ahead of the vax.

    What do you think?
     
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    Wednesday past, I got shot #1 of Pfizer. Thank you President Donald Trump for your excellent efforts to save lives making this possible for all of we in America. On the 28th of April I will get the last shot. Since the vaccine has non infecting virus, which has in the past worked for things like the Flu, I will be pleased to be one of the Guinea pigs.
     
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    When you quarantine 100 percent to avoid the 1 percent, they went too far.
     
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    Ignore that guy, just go by the links. I shouldn't have even referenced him.
    His 'fraud' was 'practicing medicine without a license'. They do that to any naturopath who profess 'cures'.

    I have an issue with that in the sense that the allopathic industry has monopolized healing. so, his 'fraud' is no biggy with me.

    Now, I don't know if 'alkaline' method is bunk or not, but the all he is recommending for the most part is basically a vegan diet. I don't see what is so nasty about that. I eat a lot of broccoli and I swear by the stuff. Where he is especially controversial is the notion that alkaline water is better for you than just regular purified water. I think the consensus is that PH makes no difference or maybe alkaline water is bad for you. But, I recall he was pinned down on that point and stated that it's the 'voltage' ( negative voltage) that matters, not so much the PH. So, I have no idea. I just drink purified water, the kind you get out of those big machines, it can't be all that bad, I should think, and at $1.50 for 5 gallons, it's cheap.
     
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    I'm getting my second moderna next week.
     
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    That one percent led to over 500k deaths .
     

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