CNN: Mexico sends nearly 15,000 troops to the US border

There were all kinds of negotiations that in the end proved fruitless. To woo the "centrist" Dems they had to offer some form of amnesty and when they did that they would lose the conservatives. They could never get to that 60 number. The House was no problem.

 

I'm curious as to what you think could be done to "end illegal immigration".

 

I agree he should not have made that statement. In interviews he said Mexico was never going to hand us a check as the optics for them would be terrible. One means he suggested was through tariffs, something which almost happened.

 

All republicans had to do was actually give a **** about the border. Could have taken care of it 2 years ago.

 

How so?

 

I’m pointing out righty hypocrisy. Your deflections won’t make it go away.

 

They controlled congress. They could have all the money for their wall they wanted. They didn’t even try, lol.

 

So by doing that, you're pointing out your own?

 

The Republicans did not have 60% of the Senate, which would have been needed to get "all the money for the wall they wanted".

So are you saying is that just a wall would be sufficient to take care of the illegal immigration crisis? That seems to be what you are implying with your claim that they could fix in 2 years what Congress has failed to fix in 30 years..

 

If trump would manage to learn how to control his language he would enjoy much more broad support. If he loses in 2020 it’s mainly because of his mouth.

 

I discussed it on page three, post #53:

national e-verify, mandatory employer penalties, reforming birthright citizenship, implementation of a biometric entry/exit system, expedited removal of illegals convicted of any crime, ending catch and release

Throw in reforming our visa system, arming the border with automated systems, immediately cutting off all federal funds to states or areas that harbor illegals including nations that send them or refuse to accept them back and making obtaining citizenship easier and quicker for qualified applicants and the problem would almost cease. Oh, also legalize marijuana and allow the sale of foreign pharmaceuticals to cut back on the profit motive of smuggling.

What would you like to see happen?

 

I can't argue with that.

 

I would like to see all of that...or at least most of that. However, I can see many issues with getting it created into law and implemented.....and it certainly would not be implemented in 2 years. Many of these items could have and should have been implemented a decade ago.

 

No intelligent person could make such an inference from my post.

I’ve repeatedly and consistently pointed out neither party gives a **** about illegal immigration.

 

They didn’t need 60%.

Of course not but that seems to be the only thing republicans can come up with.

Neither party wants to fix it. Republicans are only crowing now because they can fool their moronic base into thinking the democrats are stopping them from doing something. Useful idiots.

 

So you pointed out a do-nothing congress, and then wonder how a comment about another do-nothing congress is relevant?

If you don't understand what an analogy is, then your comment about "intelligent" people is extremely funny

 

Is there anyone who disagrees with this???

 

Apparently congressional republicans and democrats. Neither want to do any of the above.

 

Yes. The Democrats want pliant voters, the Republicans want pliant laborers.
But I meant the people who read these threads and maybe post on them, most of whom seem like a pretty intelligent lot, Left or Right. (Which means they are not a random sample of the population, I know.)
From among any of these people, if you are reading this thread, is there anyone who disagrees with Cd8ed, that

We can certainly talk about the way in which this is done, and what else might be done in addition to it.

I personally am basically in favor of the DREAMer approach -- someone who was raised in America is an American, regardless of what their legal status is. And I wouldn't be too officious with people who are already settled here and who haven't broken the law. ('Officious' in the sense of "Thou shalt not kill, but needst not strive, officiously to keep alive.")

Perhaps something like permanent legal residence that precludes their gaining citizenship but allows them to live and work here, if they have been doing so for five years or more without getting a criminal record. That would be a humane approach, would go a long way to appeasing the fears of people who don't want to lose the services of their cheap childminders, gardeners, grape-pickers, and chicken-gutting-plant workers, and also to appeasing the fears of Republicans who worry about adding ten million people to the Democratic voting bloc.

It's the prospect of an unlimited but probably growing flow of poor people who speak no English that is unsettling politics in the US, and since sensible liberals seem to understand this as well, why can't we do something about it? It would answer conservative fears, and it would undercut the support of Mr Trump.

And we ought to be humane in the way we deal with illegals, most of whom are just trying to get to a decent country to live in (and yes, it's a very decent country, and well worth living in, regardless of what the Hard Left say). So we need to try to use our great power to force those horrible little Central American shitholes to become relatively decent places to live in as well -- Costa Rica can do it, so Honduras, El Salvador and Guatemala ought to be able to as well. An alliance of those countries' Left and Centre political forces, with American economic and sometimes (covert) military and intelligence muscle behind them, ought to be able to put these countries on the right road, even if they have to go through a Pinochet phase in dealing with their drug gangs.

 

Looks like we can put more faith in the Mexican government than our own.

 

With this new Leftist president in Mexico, it's hard to predict. But Mexico's interests are two:

(1) that they can continue to send their own citizens to the US -- both as a pressure valve for their own corrupt society, and for the remittances, and

(2) that they can continue to ship illegal drugs to the US -- their income from that is a significant component of their national income.
Having lots of desperate Central Americans trying to get to the US is not particularly in their interests. At the moment at least it's creating lots of unwanted
publicity at the border. I suspect they will make some gestures, maybe increase the difficulty of getting across their own border in the South, and wait for
things to cool down in the US -- or for the Democrats to capture the White House and effectively open the border -- so it can go back to business as usual.

 

What are you talking about? Trump was working on immigration from day one. Just look at all the lawsuits liberals filed against him, from travel bans to ICE raids...

 

He was acting outside his constitutional authority. That’s why he lost in court.

Now maybe answer my question. Trump and republicans had total control of Congress and the whitehouse. Why did they do nothing at all about illegal immigration?

 

Travel bans were Constitutional, you can stop lying now. Trump moved forward with enforcement, he didn't need Congress for that...

 

Depends on the ban. Trumps wasn’t.

You keep desperately avoiding my question. Why is that?