coal ads on TV, makes me sick....

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  1. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Stay behind on hurting the poorest? Stay behind in putting people out of work? All for a recent mass hysteria thinking man controls the cosmos.
     
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    Hurting the Koch brothers and the likes of.

    There will be plenty of work in renewable energy industry, and will eventually be a cheaper energy alternative saving people 10's of thousands in living costs, and save our lungs, and aim for a sustainable future for our children and grand children. What a great day for humanity when we can live in harmony with Mother Earth not destroying her!
     
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    m2catter Well-Known Member

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    There are two options:

    1- Trump mentality, Americans first- leave the education standard low, very low and pretend to give the poor work while subsidizing coal, while possibly putting import taxes in place. Lift the taxes where the poor and stupid ones don't recognize them as such and your industry will rip the benefits, the rich become richer, but only for a certain time. Because in 20 years you guys will have a standard lower then a third world country.

    or

    2- education education education- move forward, invent, sell ideas, capitalize on your ideas and lift the game. At the same time, try to sustain this planet in whatever you do. Many countries have now taken good initiatives and earn money well in abundance with that mindset.

    And guess what, in most of these countries people can see a doctor free of charge or almost free of charge. Kids can go to good public schools, in some countries even study for free. Not in mine, unfortunately...
    And I see us sliding the same damned slippery track as you guys do, because with also believe we are the best and shouldn't change a thing, coal for ever....
    Regards
     
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    Interesting movie ...
     
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    Israel doesn't desalinate much water.. and the reverse osmosis plants most just use brackish water not sea water,
     
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    The best way to look at the US coal industry is to look at coal fired power plants. Many have closed or been converted to natural gas. Coal will linger and go the way of the buggy whip.
     
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    There is no "clean coal" technology that does not produce harmful emissions. They just produce less of the harmful emissions than the existing technology.

    Assuming the best case scenario of 40% less but going ahead and building 5 new plants to replace 3 old plants would produce exactly the same amount of harmful emissions.

    Wind, solar and hydro produce no emissions whatsoever. Makes far more sense to invest in 5 new plants that produce zero emissions than 5 plants that still produce just as much as before IMO.
     
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    Apparently from Yom Kippur 2016 to the day before Yom Kippur 2017 is a Jubilee year.......
    and so I am expecting that Israel will get some good news over the coming months that will
    allow them to desalinate even more ocean water than they are already doing......

    Israelis are even planning on reforesting the Negev.....


    http://permaculturenews.org/2008/11/19/desert-ways/
     
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    The Sahara Forest Project (Norway, Jorda, Qatar) and the proposed....
    Sahara Solar Breeder Project (Japan) are two of the cleanest
    and most environmentally safe projects that I have read about so far.
     
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    That sounds like a good way to go. Using three abundantly available resources in the region and turning them into useful and possibly turnting them into self sustaining ecological systems eventually.
     
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    I find all advertising disgusting. It's all manipulative BS. One reason, though not the sole one, I don't watch any cable or broadcast TV anymore and block ads online where possible. I'll take a subscription or donation system over sponsor advertising any ol' day. Only exception to this might be the way public radio and television handle it, which is usually just to give sponsors a mention without launching into ads.
     
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    Reforestation is not new, and yes it works.
    Not quite sure why to see this in contrast to sustainable energy.
    Why not both and get rid of burning fossil fuels?
    Regards
     
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    m2catter Well-Known Member

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    That's an interesting view, although difficult to reach at times.
    However I will consider,
    cheers
     
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    Yes... I do believe that we need to transition largely over to hydrogen fuel......
    apparently Stanley Meyer made two prototypes of his dune buggy.......
    one remained in Israel.... and apparently the other ended up in China......

    the monopoly of Big Oil can be broken rather quickly......
    somebody somewhere is just waiting for the right time........

    What Stephen Greer is attempting would be the third
    variation of the Stanley Meyer technology......


    http://www.theorionproject.org/en/hydroxy.html

     
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    Actually the study that AboveAlpha discusses here has struggled to meet convention as observations of the outcome have demonstrated as AboveAlpha states with the increasing desalinisation of oceans have given rise to the opposite of hypothetical theory. In other words the theory does not match the observations.

    Much has been made about the THERMOCLINE currents but little is understood. We can argue surrounding support AboveAlpha makes but nobody seems to be able to align a major point that the one given reason for the little ice age was the very cause stated by AboveAlpha clearly demonstrating that we can talk about CO2, Ozone aerosols and the like but ignore one of the most prolific climate transfer mechanisms and your just guessing.

    Support for AboveAlpha is the fact of clearly demonstrated slowing for the THERMOCLINE current which has actually been against scientific consensus of the theoretical actions. Since this observation has been one for over 50years without distractions one would have to really consider the observation of AboveAlpha is closer to reality than one people want ot express as the answer.

    I do agree tipping point is past, my issue is that I do believe the overall outcome is not what the climate alarmists believe...
     
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    Thoughts:

    1. Coal is a very inexpensive means to reliable energy. It is invaluable in the developing world.
    2. We shouldn't need coal, but we do because of two groups:
      1. The energy sector: negative externalities make money, and government does not function how the Greens suppose it does or should. Collusion between government and coalitions in the public will always be rife.
      2. The green energy sector: they have made the clear choice illegal: nuclear. Nuclear provides a huge amount of reliable energy and is very safe, especially with modern reactors away from major population centres. They represent a different corrupt coalition: the green energy coalition. They lobby government for their profits just as much as the energy sector.
    It wouldn't be very profitable if we had abundant energy at a relatively low cost.
    Unfortunately, we seem to be stuck in a political stalemate and we will be resigned to coal for the foreseeable future until distributed energy becomes a reality shortly, and nuclear fusion becomes a reality in the long term.

    That's politics for you.
     
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