Coal miners seek answers after paychecks bounce, mines suddenly close

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  1. Kode

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    So he did something and you just don't know what it does due to propaganda.
     
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    Coal power generation is more or less regional to where it's mined. Eventually it may be phased out but probably not for many years. Power plants of any type are built to last.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/power-plants/?utm_term=.90db8b48e989
     
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    And they are AGEING fast

    https://theconversation.com/the-old...where-should-infrastructure-spending-go-68290
     
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    Pity it is expensive.

    When people ask “why don’t they” the answer is usually “money”
     
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    Except in this case, the answer is, "because uneducated people are afraid of it"
     
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    No, really. Do what I have done and look at “levelised cost of power generation”

    There is a reason wind is picking up if you pardon the pun. It also does not require the infrastructure of nuclear. Why doesn’t Aus have nuclear? We have enough resources but we DONT HAVE THE EXPERTS
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    I actually only know one person who took out an ACA plan. She was a drunk and couldn't hold down a normal job with health bene's. She couldn't afford the high deductibles when she needed it. Paying a fine was cheaper for her than paying a government mandated requirement to buy expensive insurance that wasn't worth crap. She finally cleaned up her act and got a real job that pays health benefits, as most working people do.
     
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    And what you need is an Australian system that would offer that woman a way to treat her addiction and become a better more productive member of society
     
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    Fast is a relative term. Many of the coal plants in the US have been on their sites for a hundred years or more. The plants themselves are constantly being rebuilt and updated with very expensive scrubbers that can easily cost 1/2 billion for each smoke stack.

    Coal has it's own logistical problems too, like what to do with all the fly ash created. Some plants store it on site in slurry reservoirs, some can be used in concrete as an admixture but for the most part it is an unwanted waste bi-product.

    If it were less expensive to do away with coal, power generating utilities would have done so already.
     
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    Ummmmm guess why the coal industry is closing down mines?

    Wind is cheaper, does not have a waste problem OR a pollution problem and despite what Trump says does NOT cause cancer

    Ask West Virginians if they would rather have wind generation or missing mountaintops

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    As far as I know she was able to take care of her problem without any government intervention. I think I'd personally hate living with big brother breathing down my neck like in AU or UK. You also don't have to pay for the many millions (more than your entire population) who working people must subsidize. Those either on welfare, lazy or both.
     
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    Yeah, those are Appalachian mountains with their tops literally blown off. They were formerly underground mined until some genius learned that it was possible to blow thousands of tons of mountain top off to get to an 18" seam. If these people are ever retrained it should be in how to reclaim what they destroyed. Strip mining works in Wyoming but not very well as you can see in WV and KY.
     
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    Mountaintop mining became popular because it put more money in the shareholders pockets. Unfortunately what will happen with the rehab of the sites is that the mines will declare bankruptcy before they have to replace one blade of grass
     
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    Okay, you tell me why almost all Australians live in urban coastal areas when 75% of the country is basically unenhabitied. It's logistics. Where wind doesn't blow wind isn't a viable energy source anymore than you living in the Outback. You will notice that as advanced as we are in the US we have sizable populations in what was desert and mountain regions of our country but that's not where you will find wind turbines that come their own problems.
     
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    It's expensive alright. About 7-9 billion for one 1,200 megawatt reactor depending on where it's built. We don't have any new nuke plants in the US partly because we don't manufacture the needed turbine parts here anymore. The life cycle costs are cheaper than most other mass scale types of power generation. The benefit is relatively cheap and clean power. The downside is mostly the public's fear of a disaster and what to do with spent fuel rods and waste water disposal.
     
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    mine the coal, make a profit for shareholders, stiff the workers, go bk and let the tax payers pay to clean up the mess they made
     
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    I think they should build one right behind Mar-A-Lago.... let the rich show us how safe they think it is

    everyone is fine with it as long as it's in someone elses back yard
     
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    Society can get down on its hands and knees and kiss my free American ass.
     
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    If the market changes and rejects coal for economic reasons I dont support eternsl subsidies for coal minors

    But I think goverbnent has bedn pressuring the marlet for decades to placate the radical environmentalists

    And with the recent availability of abundent natural gas the pressure against coal is becoming too much
     
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    Caal’s Share of the energy production pie has been steadily shirinking since the great Coal Strike of 1901.

    This isn’t anything new.

    Coal has a lot of very distinct disadvanges.

    It is heavily capital dependent in extraction, transportation, handling and waste disposal. It poses serious threats of long term liiability issues.

    In the United States , the electric power industry (coal’s biggest market) has declined precipitously in this century, and especially in this decade.

    In the last two years, renewables have accounted for 100% of the growth in electric power generation in the US.

    It is a global trend.

    Battery technology, solar and wind power are getting cheaper by the day.

    This eliminates the need for long term capital investments in large central power plants, whether they be coal or nuclear.

    Batter farms connected to wind and solar are now able to shave both the costs of development and costs of operation of peak power.
     
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    Lol....I don't know what the heck that means. You might as well say you are not getting rid of your fax machine or your rotary phone.....'cause "Merica".
     
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    Quite often nobody knows the situation except the highest officers in a company, and a loan gets approved as a last second reprieve to make payroll, the company then makes adjustments and continues in business.

    If someone broadcasts how dire the situation is the company is cooked with the key and best employees leaving, and the lesser employees are left with nothing.
     
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    I covers an additional 20,000 people. Look it up.
     
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