College Republican says he got violent threats after he asked Muslim group to condemn terror attacks

Muslims have lived with the westerners visiting muslim lands for a very long time. Before the rise of conservative islam, and its growth, if you were from the west you just had to observe muslim law, as it is in saudi arabia today. Cover your women, and you had no need to fear for your life. So there is that. Today the risk one would take as an infidel in that part of the world would come from these conservative radical islamists. I think this is the fact of the matter. And yet muslims seem to want to bring their culture, their muslim culture with them when coming into the west. This too seem to be the rule rather than the exception, but a few of them can be westernized while maintaining being a muslim, without sharia.

 

You're just making something up to fit your hate agenda.

 

I sourced that your claim is untrue and used by Islamophobic haters. lol

 

Visiting? Westerners came for greed and their spread of Christianity by the barrel of gun, to violently oppress whoever. And they still are at it. The GWB administration went to Afghanistan to get Al Qaida. Fair enough. It took like 3 weeks. The 10 years after that, it was all about regime change, and surveying the land of natural resources.

You can go to any Islamic nation without any problem from it's government. That is the fact of the matter.

The west is demanding cultural changes in the middle east, no?

 

I was referring to tourists. My first experience in hearing about arabs muslims was from my anthropology prof, who had spent some time in the middle east after he got his phd. As unlikely as it seems, this prof. hated arab muslims with a vengence. This was back in 1972, I think that he expressed his hatred in class. He has witnessed how muslim men treated western women on the streets there. He said they would sexually molest them, habitually, if they were alone, or traveling with other western females. He said they would literally reach up their skirts to stick fingers inside them, as another one would hold her still. And it happened all of the time. He, being an american, from my dad's generation could not handle it. So he developed a hate for these people and their culture.

I agree with you on what we have done in the middle east. It will be seen one day for what it really was. War mongering, evil acts, driven by the interests of western rich elites, and a foreign policy taken from the neocon New American Century papers.

For some reason we think, or some of us think, that doing what we have done in the ME should never have created any blow back. But, we, being entitled, will never put the other people's shoes on. It is hypocrisy, and we are up to the ears in it. And really do not care.

 

I do not care about your alleged person experience.
People go to these countries all the time as tourists.

Indeed. Your claim they come to the west and bla bla bla.
It doesn't come close to what the west does to the middle east.
Those people know it.

 

Then ignore personal experience, the observations of real people. Yet intel will use such things all of the time. LOL

Apparently you did not read my entire post? You should really read more than what you disagree with. So, you don't look intentionally trying to be argumentative with no reason for it. Just a kind suggestion.

But if you are trying to say this is not common behavior towards western females, alone on the streets, you are really clueless to the culture. Although, you perhaps do not seen the same thing in Iran. But you better cover your head if you are a female there.

I know of no westerner who would want to endure a land under sharia. We are too civilized and no longer live in the 8th century. And most of us think it is stupid to do so. Yet while acknowledging their right to live as they want without our interference.

So if you actually made it this far...which I seem to have good reason to doubt, I agree with Ron Paul on foreign policy. Did you read this? Should I repeat it? LOL

 

People all over the globe go to these nations to have a vacation under sharia law.

 

Probably to get a deeper appreciation for their own culture.

I want to go back to Egypt, but would not risk it these days. I would never travel to any other middle eastern country though. Nothing to see enough for me to endure their backward, uncivilized cultures. Not including Israel, but Israel does not interest me at all. As bad as Israel is, it is still the only jewel in that part of the world. Surrounded by people with an 8th century mentality. The kind of anachronisms I do not like.

 

lol... oh yeah sure.

All kinds of polls show that Jewish community is utterly racist, while that country ethnic cleanses across their border to expand their nation. You call that a jewel? lol

 

Yes a jewel in the sense it is secular, modern, lives mentally in the 21st century. Understand, I do not agree with what Israel does, settlements, putting the west bank under a police state, and basically having gaza as a prison camp. And personally I do not believe the current leadership wants a two state solution. But then neither do I believe Hamas in Gaza wants a two state solution either.

Yet Israel is there to stay, and anyone who thinks contrary is indulging in unicorn and rainbow thinking. So the only real solution is for this two state deal to be worked out, along with the expulsion of groups like hamas. And allowing the palestinians autonomy and sovereignty. Yet one wonders if these people are mentally and emotionally capable of such a thing. And if their future leader, ruler, could control them enough to keep Israel from slaughtering them in self defense. I surely do not know.

 

There is nothing secular, modern and lives mentally... with them lot who use their religious texts to justify their ethnic cleansing thieving ways. That is just as backwards and fundamentalist as it gets.

 

They still stone their people too who break jewish law? Yes, they are secular. Obviously you do not know what a theocracy is, versus a secular state? Sure you do.

This has little to do with religion with Israel, and everything to do with power and land.

 

Their religion justifies even genocide to thieve the land of Canaan.
And they do kill anybody who currently objects.
You call that secular?

 

I am actually fitting together pieces of the puzzle from various things I have read. Being widely read is necessary to really understand things. Quoting one or two claims you just found on the internet and quoting them is not sufficient to fully understand something. My understanding is not complete, but IMO it is better than yours. I read because I am curious, whereas I suspect you simply research in order to argue and inflate your ego.

 

You can read as much as you like from your hate sites. It still trumps my source from wikipedia that quotes the opinion of muslim scholars how to interpret what the Quran says and what the context is. That you with "all your curiosity" ignore that and rather stick to what you read on hate sites,... that does says it all.

 

Don't be ridiculous. I do not go to "hate sites" at all, except as a mistake if I follow a link from someone in here,.and I am not a hater. I am just disgusted with people that try to blame others for all their own failings.

There are all kinds of things going on out there to help negative people reorient themselves. There are local New Age bookstores with lots of self help books, etc, and even Barnes and Noble has such a section now. The local libraries are not quite as good. because as soon as a decent self help book on how to deal with common problems such as bullying is stocked it seems to get lost or stolen. (It is my learnings about bullying that put me on to the true nature of political Islam, not "hate sites".)

Active listening is taught in inexpensive courses such as PET as well as pricey ones for business The Scientologists even have a $1 publication on The Way to Happiness, and I understand that either the Black Panthers or Black Muslims in the US have a good anti-drug program. There is Headstart, and the Salvation Army, etc etc etc etc etc. All a person has to do is open their eyes and stop being so negative they squelch any overtures anyone makes to point them in the right direction. IMO you wouldn't recognize such an overture if it came in the form of a snake and bit you.

Also, I think you meant "doesn't trump" above, because "trump" means "to win". It comes from card games where all cards of one particular type (diamonds, hearts, clubs, or spades) win...and those card types, believe it or not, come from the Four Elements initially recognized by the early Greeks--and those Elements can be taken to represent the four basic human abilities as explained in the Myers-Briggs personality typology system. But I know you won't look any of that up, because your cup is already full and you think you know everything already.

 

of course not. lol

 

Ingrate.

 

Same as it has always been.

"But one cannot get around what Jefferson heard when he went with John Adams to wait upon Tripoli’s ambassador to London in March 1785. When they inquired by what right the Barbary states preyed upon American shipping, enslaving both crews and passengers, America’s two foremost envoys were informed that “it was written in the Koran, that all Nations who should not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon whoever they could find and to make Slaves of all they could take as prisoners, and that every Mussulman who should be slain in battle was sure to go to Paradise."”
https://www.city-journal.org/html/jefferson-versus-muslim-pirates-13013.html

 

Its the claim of the Koran. The quote is accurate.

 

It is

It's not because of the context.