Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Munkle, Dec 8, 2012.
I am glad truthers keep at this. Building 7 has never made sense to me.
Building 7 had a unique construction because of fuel tanks housed inside.
AE911 has a policy of sticking to its expertise and explaining how the official story could not be true from a physics standpoint. They do not venture a theory of the crime, which is what you are asking. But others do. Since you ask.
Who Did It? Technology of Autopilot/Remote Flight on 9/11, Motive, Means, Opportunity
So if the story of Ali Baba Laden and His 19 Hijackers is a fairy tale, who in the heck crashed those planes into the Towers? The technology of remote flying is very old.
USAF pilots at Creech AFB, Nevada flying remote missions of Predator Drones over Afghanistan:
A US Air Force captain operates a Predator drone over Kandahar, Afghanistan, from Creech Air Force Base in Indian Springs, Nev., Christian Science Monitor: Drone pilots: Why war is also hard for remote soldiers
Monaghan in his paper "Plausibility Of 9/11 Aircraft Attacks Generated By GPS-Guided Aircraft Autopilot Systems" describes the high level of precision of modern autopilot systems, which is a standard feature of almost all commercial aircraft. Most commercial travelers, without knowing it, have been in a plane which was landed on auto-pilot, "no hands." In fact, pilots are required to test the autoland system on commercial aircraft at least once a month.
Monaghan, an Electrical Engineer, writes:
The following is a photo of the largest unmanned aircraft that we know of, the Global Hawk, which set a distance record when it flew in one hop from the US to Australia:
And here is video of Global Hawk pilots at work:
Pentagon Comptroller Dov Zakheim, Inventor of Remote Hijack Technology and Responsible for $2.3 Trillion Missing from Pentagon
The following image is from the website for Flight Termination System (FTS), invented by Dov Zakheim, Comptroller of the Pentagon on Sept. 10, 2001 the day $2.3 trillion was announced missing. Zakheim's company SPC invented FTS to enable the seizing of hijacked airliners from the ground. The system had already been tested by 9/11 although Bush lied about this in a speech:
Zakheim was also a member of Project for a New American Century, advocating the invasion of Iraq since the 1990s. Zakheim's father was an active member of Irgun, the terrorist organization which bombed British targets in order to found Israel.
The following is the HistoryCommons entry on the successful testing, before 9/11,%
So... no one at the airport, nor the crew, nor the people on the plane noticed there were no pilots?
If this is true then any leaks would be dealt with either by being removed from life or ridiculed. If someone were the type to kill that many people for a cause, they would also kill anyone who would leak such an event.
I know EOD guys who said it looked like a controlled demolition and others that said: why would the government do that?
I just think its fair game to question everything. If our government were more trustworthy maybe I wouldn't be open to people asking these questions, but as it were I say "fair play" and "God bless".
This retired "expert's" claims per his comment at AE911T do not stand up to scrutiny. For example: the energy released by each tower due to gravity was over 130 TONS of TNT, this means your "expert" can't do physics, that is a shame. The collapse was not symmetrical, he needs help in geometry, math, and physics. He gives real retired "experts" a bad name.
Did you read and comprehend these people you presented, as they offer nothing to back their failed opinions?
One last question: when does Gage plan to present this petition of his to Congress?
That sounds pretty plausible.
Of course we don't know for sure until there is an investigation with subpoena powers and the political will to get to the bottom of it, but on an operational level we are obviously talking about many highly specialized teams of people with military and covert operations experience and unfettered access, which is easy to believe since WTC security was handled by Securacom, which was partly owned by Marvin Bush, George's little brother. For many months there were a number of "power downs," unexplained "renovations" on a number of floors, and testimony as to lots of dust everywhere as if someone was doing some drilling.
Anyone who thinks all this would have been noticed by a lot of people has never been to New York City. It is the "city that never sleeps" and the WTC was like a small city unto itself, with workmen, maintenance crews, deliveries, restaurant workers, cleaners coming in out out through a number of above-ground and underground access points at all hours day and night. The guys in suits don't usually ask workers in coveralls what they are doing, they are on their cellphones making dates with their girlfriends and then calling the wife.
Most of the work on the core columns would have been done from the elevator shafts which were not open to public view.
From website What Really Happened
Planes never hit the towers, it was mirrors placed in strategic places by the Bush administration that made it appear that the towers were struck.
Later that day the two airliners in question landed safely at Area 51 in Nevada.
The passengers are still being held there forced to watch constant reruns of Gilligan's Island and I love Lucy.
Do you expect anyone to believe you weren't implying that?
So they have done such things and that automatically makes them guilty of 9/11 even though there is no evidence to support that claim?
I'm really tired of all the 9/11 truther bull(*)(*)(*)(*). I recommend that people read as MUCH AS THEY CAN from BOTH perspectives with an open mind and decide for themselves which is actually backed up by evidence and not opinion, speculation and the like.
Truthers keep bringing up the same old tired crap that has been debunked time and time again. it's just not worth the time or effort to point out the holes in their story anymore. If they really wanted the truth, they could find it. But they are more interested in the notion that the evil government was behind it.
Well, yes, I do, because I wasn't.
No, and I really wish you'd stop putting words in my mouth. I never said they DID do it.
HAHAHA. what a silly thing to say. Why would they step forward and admit to murdering 3000 people? THINK
You realize that in the last 60 years your honorable govt has started a half dozen major wars against nations that did nothing to us and killed millions of innocent civilians. And easily got away with it.
Not really. All the people on the internet who support the muslim conspiracy theory for 911 are govt shills paid to spread their lies.
HAHAHA. What point of impact. No plane hit bldg 7. You have no idea what you're talking about.
Again you're knocking down a straw man. I know of no one who thinks bush was the mastermind. I don't think he was even told beforehand by those who did plan it. I've always thought it puzzling that he sat in that schoolroom and did nothing for a half hour after being told of the attacks.
But muslims living in caves on the other side of the world are??? THINK
1. There is no evidence for that - just the govt says so
2. even if it was unique, how does that cause it to undergo unitary collapse just because ONE SIDE of it was hit by debris from a bldg that collapsed 400 feet away.
I don't think anyone is suggesting that GW Bush was responsible for the planning or execution of the attacks on 911. This was a plan hatched long before Bush was president and carried out by master criminals from many countries. Bush simply carried out the plan in the aftermath which entailed starting decades long wars which were worth trillions to the criminals. Cheers
There's more to 911 than war profiteering. For that all they needed was the collapse of the twin towers. And yet they also brought down bldg 7, even after the airplane that was supposed to hit it didn't show up and they were left with no explanation for it's collapse. There was something so extremely incriminating in bldg 7 that it had to be destroyed at all costs.
Very logical point. Stand by for the roving disinformation monitors to respond.
Speaking of the roving disinfo team...LOL Looks like you caught the attention of the lead team member!!
Logical discussion and open analysis of anything that counters the "official" BS story is not allowed.
Glad SOME folks have the logic and ability to question something that reeks of inconsistencies, continually evolving stories and flat out lies. Kudos Sir.
As the "non response" to Operation Northwoods is noted.
Begin with the most obvious lies and work backwards instead of starting with what you THINK must have occurred. The other basic requirement is an open mind.
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