Complete failure of Gun Control

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  1. DentalFloss

    DentalFloss Well-Known Member

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    From the article:
    California, a state with every gun control imaginable, witnessed an 18 percent rise in firearm homicides from 2014 to 2016.
    This rise in firearm homicides comes despite the fact that Democrats, gun control groups, and the establishment media constantly claim that states with the strictest gun controls see lower rates of violence and death.

    California has universal background checks, gun registration requirements, red flag laws (i.e., Gun Violence Restraining Orders), a ten-day waiting period for gun purchases, an “assault weapons” ban, a one-gun-per-month limit on handgun purchases, a minimum firearm purchase age of 21, a ban on campus carry, a “good cause” restriction for concealed carry permit issuance, and controls on the purchase of ammunition. The ammunition controls limit law-abiding Californians to buying ammunition from state-approved vendors–all of whom are in-state sellers–and adds a fee to any ammunition bought online, also requiring that ammunition to be shipped to a state-approved vendor for pickup.

    My editorial: So CA has what could be considered a gun banners wet dream in terms of GC laws (short of an outright ban), and it's seen a significant increase in firearms homicides, in an era where nationally, firearms homicides are bouncing around all time lows.

    Sigh.

    Perhaps the next round of Unconstitutional laws will help.

    Article:
    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2018/12/09/gun-control-fail-california-firearm-homicides-up-18-percent/
     
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    How did I know this topic would be about California?
     
  3. DentalFloss

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    The silence is deafening. Perhaps that's my fault for posting at 3 AM.
     
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    Someone explain how the following managed to occur.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...mas-market-shooting-police-sources/ar-BBQOSS6

    STRASBOURG, France, Dec 11 (Reuters) - A gunman killed at least four people and wounded 11 others near a Christmas market in the French border city of Strasbourg on Tuesday evening before being cornered by police.

    The motive was not immediately clear but, with France still on high alert after a wave of attacks commissioned or inspired by Islamic State militants since early 2015, the counter-terrorism prosecutor opened an investigation.

    Some two hours after the attack, elite police cornered the suspect and shots were fired, a source close to the operation said. French media reported the assailant was holed up in a store on the Rue Epinal.

    Interior Minister Christophe Castaner said the gunman was known to security services, and the local prefecture said he was on an intelligence services watchlist.

    People in the city's Neudorf area and Etoile park were told to stay where they were as officers hunted the shooter on the ground and from the air.

    A Reuters reporter was among 30 to 40 people being held in the basement of a supermarket for their own safety, waiting for police to clear the area. Lights were switched off and bottles of water handed out.

    The European Parliament, which is sitting in Strasbourg this week, was put into lockdown.

    TIGHT SECURITY

    The Christmas market was being held amid tight security this year, with unauthorized vehicles excluded from surrounding streets during opening hours and checkpoints set up on bridges and access points to search pedestrians' bags.

    The Paris prosecutor said the motive for the attack was not known. No group immediately claimed responsibility but the U.S.-based Site intelligence group, which monitors jihadist websites, said Islamic State supporters were celebrating the attack.

    Sources familiar with the police operation said the suspect was a 29-year-old whose residence had been raided earlier in the day in connection with a robbery during the summer. The suspect was not in the building at the time.

    President Emmanuel Macron was was being updated as events unfurled, an Elysee Palace official said. Castaner was on his way to Strasbourg, which lies on the border with Germany.

    The gunman entered the market over a bridge at about 8 p.m. (1900 GMT) before opening fire, the prefecture said, adding that the suspect was a known security risk and on a watch list.

    A spokesman for the European Parliament said the building had been shut down and staff ordered to stay inside.

    "My thoughts are with the victims of the Strasbourg shooting, which I condemn with the utmost firmness," tweeted Jean-Claude Juncker, head of the European Commission, the EU executive. "Strasbourg is an excellent symbol of peace and European Democracy. Values that we will always defend."

    WATCHLIST

    Some 26,000 individuals suspected of posing a security risk to France are on the "Fiche S" watchlist, of whom about 10,000 are believed to have been radicalized, sometimes in fundamentalist Salafist Muslim mosques, online or abroad.

    European security agencies have feared for some time that Islamist militants who left Europe to fight for Islamic State in Syria and Iraq would return after the jihadist group's defeat, with the skills and motivation to carry out attacks at home.

    Secular France has been grappling with how to respond to both homegrown jihadists and foreign militants following attacks in Paris, Nice, Marseille and beyond since 2015.

    In 2016, a truck plowed into a Bastille Day crowd in Nice, killing more than 80 people, while in November 2015, coordinated Islamist militant attacks on the Bataclan concert hall and other sites in Paris claimed about 130 lives. There have also been attacks in Paris on a policeman on the Champs-Elysees avenue, the satirical weekly Charlie Hebdo and a kosher store.

    Almost exactly two years ago, a Tunisian Islamist rammed a hijacked truck into a Christmas market in central Berlin, killing 11 people as well as the driver.
     
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    Ever hear of NYC?
     
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    Not Your Choice?
     
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    I point it out as a place where effective gun control works
     
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    NYC is now failed city. A "Rich Ghost Town" - most ordinary Americans have left

    "These days, walking through parts of Manhattan feels like occupying two worlds at the same time. In a theoretical universe, you are standing in the nation’s capital of business, commerce, and culture. In the physical universe, the stores are closed, the lights are off, and the windows are plastered with for-lease signs. Long stretches of famous thoroughfares—like Bleecker Street in the West Village and Fifth Avenue in the East 40s—are filled with vacant storefronts. Their dark windows serve as daytime mirrors for rich pedestrians."

    CITY LAB, How Manhattan Became a Rich Ghost Town, BY DEREK THOMPSON OCT 15, 2018
    New York’s empty storefronts are a dark omen for the future of cities.
    https://www.citylab.com/life/2018/10/how-manhattan-became-rich-ghost-town/573025/
     
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    Vegas giants Banned

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    Are you kidding? Try getting an apartment for under 2 grand a month. And it is the safest large city in America
     
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    Thats one way to stop violent crime... make it too expensive for violent criminals to live there.
     
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    Or gun control.
     
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    Two thousand a month for an apartment is a crime.
     
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    LOL! That is the point. NYC is a ghost town populated by the rich. There is no low income housing.
    The average home value in Manhattan is more than $1 million - the ultimate gated suburb where ordinary human beings with all their problems have been segregated.
     
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    You have never spent a day in NYC. I lived there 22 years. It has 5 boroughs and 8 million people. And you think it has 8 million millionaires. Lol
     
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    TWO thousand?? Hell try FOUR thousand, and that was a decade ago, for a small 2/1 on the lower east side. Still, not a crime, though. If the rents are beyond reasonable, beyond that which people or businesses will pay, they'll either lower them or go out of business. That is how the market corrects itself. It IS recockulous, and is a big part of the reason I left NYC (the snow probably being a close second), it is legal. As it should be.
     
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    Who should we believe Vegas, you are The New York Times? ;-)

    "But in the past five years, the problem of rising vacancies and monotony has actually gotten worse. It would be one thing if New York were simply trading eccentricity for accessibility—that is, knocking down fusty establishments to build new apartments with affordable housing. But the median home value in Manhattan is still over $1 million."
    CITY LAB, How Manhattan Became a Rich Ghost Town, New York’s empty storefronts are a dark omen for the future of cities, BY DEREK THOMPSON OCT 15, 2018.
    https://www.citylab.com/life/2018/10/how-manhattan-became-rich-ghost-town/573025/

    I bet Derek Thompson and those other arrogant swells at the NYT "have never spent a day in NYC". :)
     
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    I'm going to go with Vegas!
     
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    I guess the anti-gunners don't want to touch this thread with a ten foot pole, for they are nowhere to be found.
     
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    They don't usually bring anything of substance to the conversation anyway.
     
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    No, they don't. But I'm anxious to hear how this extensive list of "common sense gun control" measures not only didn't help, but it seems to have hurt.
     
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    It is interesting. Some of the more recent laws in California have made bad guys out of good guys. I lived in California many years ago and still know a few people there. Some people have become criminals simply because they did nothing. A law is passed outlawing specific guns or magazines and those who didn't get rid of their's are now breaking the law. Some say we don't and won't have confiscation in this country but it is the closest thing.
     
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    Well you could check the gun death rate in new york or the violent crime index by the FBI. NYC is the safest large city in the US
     
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    Thanks rich. Lol
     
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    And then I saw this. You are a cool dude rich
     
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    Not to mention these relatively new "red flag" laws that allow forced confiscation with no due process.
     
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