Concealed carry body count surpasses 1,000

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  1. Turtledude

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    another pair of falsehoods. there is no loophole because the federal law was based on the INTERSTATE commerce act and private sellers cannot legally engage in INTERSTATE commerce and its a felony for a convicted criminal to possess a firearm no matter where they obtained it. SO there is a proper law to punish criminals who have guns.
     
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    Then perhaps if you're suicidal you should get help.

    If that person didn't kill themselves with a gun, then can you prove they wouldn't have killed themselves via some other method?

    Hanging is nearly as effective, and is by far the global method of choice.
     
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    so what? that isn't a valid argument to restrict anyone's rights
     
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    A lot of people selling guns at gun shows and online are criminals according to Bloomberg's investigations. They're willing to engage in illegal gun sales. Many of them may have carry permits too.
     
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    Hanging/suffocation suicides have 75% of the completion rate of gun suicides, use common household items and that rate grew at ten times the gun suicide rate of gun suicides since 1999, according to CDC WISQARS.

    https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/means-matter/means-matter/case-fatality/
     
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    An Taibhse Well-Known Member

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    Same 'ol same 'old from you. Life increases your chance of dying... but your periodic repeat of this narrative is no different than saying, if you travel by flying you increase your chances of dying in a car crash.
    That said, a gun has saved my life more than once so I am in the plus column... guess I am one where a gun has increased my chance of living.
    I have a pilot's license and I choose to own and carry a gun...my life, my choice. If you choose the opposite...it's your life your choice.
     
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    Wow what a mealy mouth claim those sentences were. What's an online gun sale?
     
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    more lies from Bloomberg who is an extremist bannerrhoid operator.

    If you sell a gun online across state lines you must go through a LICENSED DEALER. YOU cannot legally sell a gun and ship it in the mail. For an INTRASTATE transaction you must meet the buyer face to face. Bloomberg should be in prison btw for conspiring to violate federal and state gun laws. He claims people working for him bought guns illegally at gun shows. I tried to get the US attorney in my district to submit this to a grand jury but he claimed "there were other priorities".
     
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    Maybe you've been lucky. Your avatar doesn't inspire confidence in your sanity.
     
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    No, they don't.

    Anyone selling firearms at a gun show must have an FFL license.

    The number of guns used in murders traced back to gun shows is very small, according to the FBI.
     
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    Losing these arguments has put you in a really bad mood.

    I hope you don't have any guns laying around.
     
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    The legality of private sales at gun shows varies by state.
     
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    Ah. Private sales.

    An action which is carefully watched by the ATF based on how many guns you buy.
     
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    It's irrelevant to the topic at hand.
     
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    I don't need to inspire your confidence in my sanity; your opinion of me is meaningless (but your not so subtle, personal insult is noted). Nor do I walk through life with irrational fears that compel me to project them on others. I respect the rights of others as I expect the same from them.
    As for being lucky, my survival had nothing to do with luck.
     
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    Not to the families of those who were killed.
     
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    Start a new thread on deaths by lawnmowers and I'll be more then happy to debate you on that.
     
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    LOL, VPC has put out some crap before but this one really is hilarious.

    First, 400 of the 1,082 are suicides. That has zippo to do with concealed carry.

    Second, when I went to the list of "concealed carry killers" , there are a number of "unintentional deaths" such as Nicolas Clavier who accidentally shot himself. Not exactly a concealed carry issue.

    Third, many of the homicides are not even related to concealed carry. Such as this guy, Robert Klosterman, who was at home when he shot his wife and then himself - nothing to do with concealed carry at all.

    VPC is a total joke, and so are the people who make arguments based on VPC fake news.
     
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    Such a lack of compassion for lawnmower victims.

    Incidentally, it's not irrelevant at all. It's just a good example used to show the selective outrage of gun banners.
     
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    All unfounded and unproven Lies.
    Go peddle your lies to some other Retired LEO.
     
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    Hilarious.

    There's probably a few in there of a guy who knew a guy who had a ccw who fell off a bridge.
     
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    You have a much better chance of getting concealed carry in New York City than you do in washington D.C. go figure
     
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    No such argument was actually made.

    The manufacture, distribution, and consumption of alcoholic beverages has absolutely no redeeming aspects. Their mere existence causes more harm than benefit to society, and costs countless lives every single year. Why has such not been completely prohibited, as it would save countless lives?
     
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    Then by your own admission, the general public in the united states is filled with all manner of criminals, particularly individuals that have no qualms with killing others for whatever reason. Is it any wonder why so many own firearms for the purpose of their own defense?

    By your own citation, in a span of ten years, spanning forty states, the violence policy center has only been able to identify a mere eight hundred and eighty individuals, who may have had concealed carry permits at some point, who went on to commit murder. Eight hundred and eighty individuals, out of countless million. That is twenty two individuals per each of the forty queried states over the course of the entire decade, or just barely more than two individuals per state, per year.

    Neither the math, nor the statistics, are on your side. Neither yourself, nor the violence policy center, can demonstrate that even one percent of individuals with concealed carry permits are a problem.
     
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    Nothing more than empty emotional rhetoric.
     

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