Permitted carry has seldom been an issue. We’ve done this for decades with good results. As long as the standards for permits are stringent enough and applied consistently, there is no problem imo.
There is no evidence that constitutional carry, that being the carrying of a firearm by anyone who can legally own one without any paperwork or training involved, is a problem in need of address.
Concealed carry should be permitted. I believe in reasonable gun control including licensing concealed carry. Most states require background checks and some level of training to get a CC licence. I see this as a positive. Open carry is another thing. Open carry's is little more than legalized terrorism.
Sure, we just had a killing of an innocent jogger by two guys who thought they could legally defend themselves vs a jogger they chased for several minutes. They need paper work.
Exactly what sort of paperwork would have served to prevent this incident from occurring? Not in terms of hypothetical possibilities, but has actually been confirmed as doing such.
Plenty. Just ask anyone with a permit to carry in a state that requires it, they are super cautious. Your rights are not absolute. It’s absolutely delusional to think People with a permit would do anything to jeopardize it, including threatening anyone with their firearm which in itself is felonious. The shooting of this jogger was not in self defense. If justice prevails, these jokers could lose their second amendment rights and never be able to join an organized militia.....if they ever get out of jail.
Name them. And yet, according to the violence policy center, those with concealed carry permits still commit murders, and it is keeping a running tally of such. Irrelevant to the discussion at hand. Why would individuals without permits do anything to jeopardize their constitutional rights? Explain such. And many claimed George Zimmerman murdered Trayvon Martin, despite his having a concealed carry permit.
I disagree. I think concealed carry makes things safer. I feel safe knowing if some crackpot goes off someone else will blow him away if I don't. What I am really not fond of is "open carry". It often is done by the most unseemly characters in an effort toward intimidation. It's o.k. though.....at least we know who they are.
Well, one unarmed man, followed by the 2 armed men who later killed him. It really doesn't matter What you think. They chased him down and murdered him.
Let me help you here Dagosa. First calm down a little. Breath in then out slowly. If you are armed (which is legal) and an unarmed person jumps you and tries to take your weapon, especially if he is closer than 6 feet, you are in a life and death struggle. If he is bold enough to attack and grapple with you, he might just as well use your weapon to end your life. You have to make a choice. When I first heard this story, I heard a "jogger" was run down by two armed men in a truck and shot to death. I was very angry. What made me suspicious was the emphasis on race in this story. Race before a political election. Then I saw actual film. It didn't appear to be exactly like I heard. It is a fact that those of your political persuasion love to inflame racial hatred before an election. Great substitution for a good platform or a candidate that doesn't have severe dementia. You nor I have all the facts. I did see a struggle for a gun so I'll wait for the analysis by professionals.
Of course it is know. The facts of the event meets the elements of proof for murder and accessory to murder.
You just proved to be a complete phony....if.the guys you refer to as "hillbilly cops" had cell phones what reason would they have to report an urban "ne'er do well" who was merely jogging in work boots through their neighborhood? you actually have heard some of the same information I have heard.....you either refuse to believe it, or just don't want to let on you know your story is political hype.
How could you tell he was an urban near do well ? You just identified yourself. Let’s shoot people because you don’t like their shoes and they’re inner city types; short hand for being what ? so two white bearded dudes with guns, follow you, cut you off, then jump out of a truck and accost you with guns, now you’re blaming an “urban near do well” for defending himself. That entire revelation is a revealing. All of a sudden, high top sneakers are work boots and reason to shoot someone. You’ve done nothing but convict a couple of hill billy cop wannabes out for vigilante justice. I wanna hear you keep digging a deeper hole .
Yes, hillbilly cops. I guess you want us to believe that an unarmed man on foot accosted two white guys in a pick up truck armed with a shot gun and a .hand gun after they had been chasing him through the streets. That is rediculous. Now, he’s an urban near do well.
Projection objection. He raised valid points, you accuse him of doing, what you did, in your own response.
Explain precisely what it is about the permitting process for legally carrying a concealed firearm that makes an individual significantly less likely to engage in the act of murder, than an individual who did not go through the permitting process yet is still legally carrying a concealed firearm without one.
