Congratulations Palestine

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  1. truth and justice

    truth and justice Well-Known Member

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    What a load of trash. Where is the security going to come from for the new settlements? From building even more settlements?
     
  2. axialturban

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    Helps if you learn to read and comprehend. Settlements are not the 'main population areas'.
     
  3. Albert Di Salvo

    Albert Di Salvo New Member

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    Historical experience tells us that miscalculation is the handmaiden of war. The prospective belligerent that can strike first with a knock out blow usually wins.

    Many people believe that it is possible to wage unconventional war against another power without crossing the nuclear threshold. The problem is in being able to ascertain where that threshold lies.

    For Israel things haven't been this grave since their war of liberation. Iran is acquiring nuclear weapons. You can disagree with that, but the IAEA is going to release a pretty (*)(*)(*)(*)ing report in the very near future.

    That means Israel has a very small window of opportunity. It will be tempted to strike.
     
  4. truth and justice

    truth and justice Well-Known Member

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    They become "main population areas". There are over 500,000 settlers.
     
  5. DA60

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    Okaaaay...

    well...when the IAEA releases this 'pretty ****ing' report', then I will give it the weigh it deserves.

    Until then, I won't.


    And strike at what?

    The Iranian nuclear facilities number over 60 (last I read) and many of them are buried deep underground.

    Simple airstrikes won't do it.

    And this isn't some French-built Iraqi nuclear reactor that the latter had not a clue how to rebuild after Israel blew it up.

    This is an extensive, relatively autonomous Iranian-based nuclear program and there is little evidence that they would not simply restart it were Israel to somehow destroy it.

    And if Israel did attack Iran - don't you think the latter would be VERY motivated to get nukes as fast as possible after that?

    Unless Israel actually conquers AND occupies Iran (which they have not a prayer of doing) - they will have to face the fact that their nuclear monopoly will fairly soon come to an end.

    And I for one cannot wait...I think the Middle East will be a far better place to live when Israel cannot be the big bully anymore and will have to learn to live though peace and not violence.
     
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    why not return poland to its former borders ?
     
  7. The Judge

    The Judge New Member Past Donor

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    Such would be a more relevant question if Germans in Poland were not Polish citizens. Are Palestinians in Palestine Israeli citizens? Nope. Will they become Israeli citizens at any point in the near future? Nope. So, why seek racist ethnic cleansing simply because one does not wish to treat them as equal Israeli citizens? Accepting the nation of Palestine along its 1967 borders makes a lot of sense, but demanding for Americans to give New York to Israelis, makes no sense.
     
  8. Abu Sina

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    This is exactly why the US and Israel are hysterical about Palestine having statehood. The moment it does it has access to the ICC and ICJ.

    The terrorists are terrified what that means.
     
  9. snakestretcher

    snakestretcher Banned

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    Israel has no interest in peace. Netanyahu's own words and actions have demonstrated that to the world.

    The reason for expansion is the Zionist mantra of Eretz Israel. They want everything-and free of Muslims.
     
  10. WanRen

    WanRen New Member Past Donor

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    He is still is respected and I would say fear by other world leaders that is why Russia, China, Iran dare not get involve. Back then, uprising in Egypt and Libya if NATO got involve Russia, China and Iran will also get involve that would have resulted in a stale-mate. But this time all the dictators were successfully isolated because Obama was successfull in keeping Russia, China, Iran and other foreign governments from resisting US-NATO policies.

    Oil, oil and oil that is a good reason for Russia and China to interfere but this time they did not because Obama cinvince them not to.


    For politicians that would be the case but for the sound mind it is about rapping up a war that was started by the former President of the USA Bush without any reasonable and justifiable grounds but most of all was wage against international oppossition.

    The settlements are a by product of Hamas continuing attacks against Israel it is also a by product of the Palestinian Authority inability to stop the attacks and accept a negotiated peace with Israel to help defeat Hamas.

    Only a few quality nations such as Canada are still able to differentiat between terrorism and none terrorism and while many nations in spite of the facts that Hamas and their allies have verbally and openly declare their terroristic policies against Israel those countries have lost their way to decency, justice, freedom and democracy they have been blinded by anti-Israeli rhetorics and are just following the flow of the angry mindless crowds.


    We will have to see if the Palestinian Authority will allow UNESCO to establish schools, hospitals, in their territories and garantee UNESCO staff safety and free access at both Gaza and West Bank.


    Israel is doing the world and the USA a huge favour by giving all Middle Eastern people hope against their dictatorial governments, acting as a barrier of Islamist expansion and absorbing most of Muslims aggression against the free world to itself.
     
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    Why dont we just turn israel into a big sheet of glass and end this charade??????????????????????????
     
  12. Allegiance

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    Here is a footage showing many protesters from all over the world who want to end siege.
    Well,I am an israeli and suppose there is no siege and furthermore absolutely oppose the opinions of the passangers but i would like to share with you this controversial video which was filmed while the boat was sailing towards gaza : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBtXfbFjmEk&feature=youtu.be

    Discuss it freely.
     
  13. Oddquine

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    We won't have to.........Israel will accomplish that quite successfully themselves...but unfortunately will turn lots of other places into sheets of glass along with it.

    Like all toddlers they work on the premise that if they can't have it......they'll just break it so nobody gets it! :twisted:
     
  14. Oddquine

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    What is controversial about it?

    Discuss that freely.
     
  15. highlander

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    Congratulations to all Palestinians and those suffering from the Zionist Holocaust!

    I can only hope that you now apply to the International court of the Hague!
    Now Palestine are able to do so and that will put the cat amongst the pigeons!

    And The Zionist thugs in the dock where they belong!

    Aaah......... there is justice to be had for those down trodden Palestinians!

    Regards
    Highlander
     
  16. snakestretcher

    snakestretcher Banned

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    The settlements are a 'by-product'? Yes. This of course is arrant rubbish as the stated policy of Zionism is expansion into the biblical twaddle of Eretz Israel, and has been since Israel was invented.
     
  17. Oddquine

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    Puzzles me how pro-Zionists can be so ignorant of facts that they persist in regurgitating twaddle from sites which call the West Bank "Judea and Samaria".

    Now, just for WanRen.i will repeat what has been so often said before....Hamas was founded in 1987..note that, WanRen....twenty years after the Israelis started settling on Palestinian Land...in fact, after Israel had annexed East Jerusalem and the Golan Heights as well in defiance of international Law. From 1967 to 1982, Israel’s military government demolished 1,338 Palestinian homes on the West Bank and shipped in Settlers.

    From no Jews in the West Bank in 1966, by 1983 there were nearly 23000.
    From no Jews in East Jerusalem in 1966, there were 76000 in 1983

    And I do have to consider it proven that Israel has a non-peaceful, land grabbing agenda when I consider that

    Senator [J.William Fulbright] proposed in 1970 that America should guarantee Israel’s security in a formal treaty, protecting her with armed forces if necessary. In return, Israel would retire to the borders of 1967. The UN Security Council would guarantee this arrangement, and thereby bring the Soviet Union — then a supplier of arms and political aid to the Arabs — into compliance. As Israeli troops were withdrawn from the Golan Heights, the Gaza Strip and the West Bank they would be replaced by a UN peacekeeping force. Israel would agree to accept a certain number of Palestinians and the rest would be settled in a Palestinian state outside Israel.

    “The plan drew favorable editorial support in the United States. The proposal, however, was flatly rejected by Israel. ‘The whole affair disgusted Fulbright,’ writes [his biographer Randall] Woods. ‘The Israelis were not even willing to act in their own self-interest.’” Allan Brownfield in “Issues of the American Council for Judaism.” Fall 1997.[Ed.—This was one of many such proposals]
     
  18. moon

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    The loincloth and sandal brigade were subjected to intense indoctrination as children, I believe. Teaching religion to kids is simply asking for trouble later on- and that trouble manifests itself as real war which affects all of us. Children should be free until they can think for themselves. An overview of all religions is what they should get, including the study of agnosticism and atheism. Otherwise this ' Judea and Samaria ' bollox gets perpetuated and most of the world has to try to develop alongside unfortunate half-wits.
     
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    What a shame.. Think how many lives have been lost since 1970???
     
  20. WanRen

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    At the same time Israel's Muslim neighbours all rejected it before Israel could, they were actually preparing to invade troops from Syria, Jordan and Egypt were massing their forces and the USA, UN, Soviet Union have not done anything to compel those nations to stand down. Israel knew that withdrawing to the 1967 border will only embolden the Muslims more than ever to attack Israel.

    The Palestinians who fled during the wars were all subjects of the Kingdom of Jordan, Jordan refused to accept them because Jordan don't trust the Palestinians part of the peace treaty with Israel is that Jordan release all claims to Jerusalem and Palestine in other words Israel acquire those lands legally from Jordan the previous owner and ruler of Palestine. Palestinians who did not fled were absorb by Israel.

    Remember thousands of Israelis were expel from Muslims lands and those Jews relocated to Israel their homeland.

    Syria at one point in 1970s attempted to invade Jordan because of the expulsion of Palestinians from Jordan when Syrians troops cross over to Jordan, Israeli fighter jets flew over them coming to the aid of Jordan that resulted in Syrian troops withdrawing back to Syria.

    The focus is set too much on anti Israel ignoring other major facts that Muslim nations just refuse to understand facts and they don't want peace.

    The PA of Pres. Abbas have demonstrated this to be so with their refusal to ask for UN help in defeating Hamas and help them to unite Palestine, instead Pres. Abbas ignore Hamas and turn a blind eye on their attacks against Israel.
     
  21. Oddquine

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    Well, excuse me...but how is that a response to the post I made? The Arab countries had no input for or against the Fulbright proposal.......that was between the US and Israel.

    So how does the Rogers Plan and another rant against Arab States apply to the fact that you said The settlements are a by product of Hamas continuing attacks against Israel it is also a by product of the Palestinian Authority inability to stop the attacks and accept a negotiated peace with Israel to help defeat Hamas. and I said you were talking through your bahookey, because the settlements were there long before Hamas was?

    And just what does any Rogers Plan have to do with the Israelis flatly refusing a proposal which would have given them the peace they are continually saying they wanted. ....and all official and above board as well....if it wasn't that it would have meant not being able to grab land?

    After all.......Israel did say that a peace guaranteed by the UN and the US was no match for peace agreements with the Arab nations which recognised Israel within the 1967 borders.

    And 40 years on, they are still waiting for that! :mrgreen:
     
  22. WanRen

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    The Fulbright proposal makes sense at that time, Sen. Fulbright suggest an international police force to intervene to end the Israel-Muslim war in the Middle East at the same time to curve the influence of the Soviet Union in which the Soviets are an ally those Muslims countries that have been waging war against Israel. The Arabs only proposal was the absolute destruction of Israel and the reason the Arabs were so arrogant with that policy was because they were relying on the Soviet Union to help them accomplish that, they are not interested in peace with Israel.

    The Rogers plan may sound very good but if nations such as Syria, Iraq, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Libya etc. refuse to recognize Israel and guarantee Israel's bordor that proposal will only weaken Israel. The 1967 border will no longer be practical because Jordan has already gave up their claim and surrender the 1967 Jordan control territories to Israel. If you want Israel to go back to the 1967 border would this mean Jordan will have to come back and rule over Gaza, West Bank and East Jerusalem, would the Palestinians accept that?

    Hamas have refuse to accept any proposal and they made that clear by firing rockets into Israel and as long as the de-facto government of Palestinian the PLO or PA can not stop Hamas and secure the temporary border between Israel and Palestinian those territories that were once under Jordan and legally turn over to Israel, Israel has every right to expand settlement.

    The settlement is a by product of the PA inability to stop Hamas attacks against Israel is greatly preventing any peaceful settlement proposal with from advancing, without a peace treaty with the PA those territories are Israel's responsibility.

    Because the Palestinians have been doing the wrong way, for 40 years they have continue to side with the terrorist, refuse to sign a peace treaty, refuse to police their own, but most of all refuse to ask the UN for assistance in defeating those terrorist who wants war, instead the PA is busy trying to get UN acceptance to have terrorist organization a part of their government.

    Israel and allies will not accept a Palestinian State that support terrorist groups.
     
  23. moon

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    One of the most chronic pieces of self-deception I have ever witnessed. There's enough material there for a thesis.
     
  24. Oddquine

    Oddquine Well-Known Member

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    What's the point.

    “Attempting to debate with a person who has abandoned reason is like giving medicine to the dead.”
    ― Thomas Paine
     
  25. randlepatrickmcmurphy

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    Congrats, Palestine!
     

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