Congratulations, Ron DeSantis. Great Job [rolling eyes]. Moron.

What special needs? Mayo said this.

N95 masks have been in oversupply for almost a year.

I’ve supplied you the new CDC guidance where they no longer recommending against N95 and similar masks. For 18 months they told you not to wear them. They are slowly accepting the empirical evidence. Very slowly.

If you wish to criticize the CDC for recommending KN95 masks I agree with you on that point. They should not be recommending KN95 masks. They are inferior quality and N95 masks made here in the US are readily available. We should support our citizens that spent millions of dollars to increase the supply of N95 masks.

I’m not smarter, I’m more honest and follow evidence. That’s why I always turn out to be correct. Because I follow the evidence.

 

But YOU posted the link I’m pulling quotes from and claimed it was all Covid studies! I have not posted any study or made ANY claim.

Think about this for a while. You were (finally) told to wear a mask around April 3, 2020. How many random controlled trials of public mask usage for Covid were published in peer reviewed journals at that time? Can you supply one? The initial recommendations to wear masks for Covid were based almost entirely on studies of other viruses. Fact.

 

Quote the part of the CDC link that says other masks are better options than N95s. Not your opinion, a quote.

 

Read your own post. I’ll help if

You’re delirious. You can’t quote me because as usual, you’re making it up. I NEVER said only covid trials could be used in studies. I said they must include covid studies and the flu studies were control groups. That’s not me saying it, it was in reference I gave. You can’t make mask effectiveness on covid from flu studies. You need to have covid direct in the trials. You’re wrong again for the umpteenth time and are trying to play semantics.

 

You’re sadly science and math misinformed. Look up what control studies are. Then come back.

 

Skip the ad hominem nonsense and just answer the question:

"They are both viruses. How does the spread of the flu virus differ? Try to be specific." Ddy.

Your source does not support your position. That is why you can't paste up a single quote from it.
Hint: Just tell the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth. It helps with the credibility thing.

 

Skip the ad hominem nonsense and just answer the question:

"They are both viruses. How does the spread of the flu virus differ? Try to be specific." Ddy.

Your source does not support your position. That is why you can't paste up a single quote from it to support your position.

Just tell the truth. It works better than all this evasive nonsense.

 

I suppose he asked for that, but I am sure he is sober.

 

You are proving that President Garfield was right about the truth. “The truth will set you free but first it will make you miserable.”
You are dealing with a bottomless pit of determined denial of the obvious well documented truth. But he truth will out.

 

Then shock everyone and paste up an actual quote from "control studies" with a link.

 

What RTC on Covid and mask usage was published before the mask recommendations of April 3 in the US? Post it. LOL

 

Ummmm, I conduct controlled studies annually. I’m well aware of controls. I can not use a study I conducted last year as a control this year. Nor can I use a soybean yield as a control in a study of corn yield. LOL

 

Look up what a control group is. You had your 2 minutes of fame, stop trying to disingenuously make the efforts of the cdc, and all the medical research facilities in the US secondary.

you guys aren’t as smart as you pretend to be.

 

Sure you do. You’re a test pilot too. Why do you keep bragging how much smarter you are then the cdc and everyother research facility in the US and why do you marginalize their efforts to save lives while all you guys do is make it hard with your fake news and bragging. Must be a trait of the right.

 

I’m sure your soybeans have to wear masks too. You guys are legends in your own minds.

 

You said this.

And you posted this link that contains studies of Influenza alone. You claimed this:

“That’s funny. You guys in your quest to spread the disease will go for old studies on influenza and not 49 specifically for Covid.
Really, what is your reasoning behind proposing that more people die.”

I can’t use the quote function for that quote because the mods apparently deleted it. Probably your relentless ad hominem but that’s just a guess.

The link provided by YOU.

https://www.kxan.com/news/coronavir...-scientific-studies-that-explain-why-they-do/

But of course you didn’t read your link to MSNBC and the 49 studies because many are not studies at all (they are meta analysis, literature reviews, and systematic reviews) and many ONLY address influenza and other pathogens for evidence—not SARS-CoV-2. I provided pull quotes to expose your fraud.

I’ll ask again. On April 3, 2020 what peer reviewed RCT of mask usage for community transmission of Covid was published? Go ahead. Post it.

 

Again I’m a socialist. LOL. And I’m not smarter. I’m more honest and care more about your health than the authorities you appeal to. I don’t marginalize their efforts. I’m months ahead of them on telling people how best to protect themselves from aerosol transmission and with high quality masks etc.

It’s mostly critical thinking my friend. I worked hard to buy a world class education in biology but there isn’t anything special about me. I’m just a guy who cares about your (and everyone on PF’s) health more than your government does.

 

Good one. Most soybean viral pathogens are spread primarily by insects so you would want to mask the insects not the soybeans. Most people just kill the insects. Saves a lot of time and energy. Insects are more anti mask than progressives, and that’s saying something!

 

Seriously, do you know how many medical research facilities and the number of dedicated people who work at all of them you’d have pretend you’re superior to. You seem locked into this filtration idea with little concern to practicality. N95 masks are simply unusable for many, which includes the majority of those most at risk. Try wearing one.

Why do you insist on promoting distrust in our medical research facilities ? This strategy is identical to climate change deniers. Some how the few consircy theorists know more then most dedicated and educated many.

 

The people you idolize are in the minority. I already linked to information showing European epidemiologists have been recommending and mandating N95 equivalent masks for many months. Asian countries started helping their citizens acquire good masks while our “experts” were still telling us masks were unnecessary and of little value.

I also showed you American epidemiologists who have been trying to get the CDC to recommend N95 masks for months. You just aren’t paying attention. Blind devotion to people and institutions like the CDC can get you killed because they are NOT basing their recommendations on evidence or principles of epidemiology.

You have been shown the evidence. You are the denier you are complaining about. You deny science in your blind devotion to authority.

 

This has nothing to do with how "smart" you are. You have obviously been misinformed about the what "a control group is", and what a clinical trial is, and what the CDC is. But it is never too late to learn.

“Abstract

There were 3 influenza pandemics in the 20th century, and there has been 1 so far in the 21st century. Local, national, and international health authorities regularly update their plans for mitigating the next influenza pandemic in light of the latest available evidence on the effectiveness of various control measures in reducing transmission. Here, we review the evidence base on the effectiveness of nonpharmaceutical personal protective measures and environmental hygiene measures in nonhealthcare settings and discuss their potential inclusion in pandemic plans. Although mechanistic studies support the potential effect of hand hygiene or face masks, evidence from 14 randomized controlled trials of these measures did not support a substantial effect on transmission of laboratory-confirmed influenza. We similarly found limited evidence on the effectiveness of improved hygiene and environmental cleaning. We identified several major knowledge gaps requiring further research, most fundamentally an improved characterization of the modes of person-to-person transmission.”

Volume 26, Number 5—May 2020, Policy Review, Nonpharmaceutical Measures for Pandemic Influenza in Nonhealthcare Settings—Personal Protective and Environmental Measures, Jingyi Xiao1, Eunice Y. C. Shiu1, Huizhi Gao, Jessica Y. Wong, Min W. Fong, Sukhyun Ryu, and Benjamin J. Cowling, Author affiliations: University of Hong Kong, Hong Kong, China. (emphasis mine)
https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/5/19-0994_article

 

I don't think the CDC specifically "recommended" KN95 masks; they said 60% of the ones in the US market are counterfeit so it doesn't read to me like an enthusiastic endorsement and recommendation. The FDA has approved emergency use of KN95 masks (the Chinese standard) in healthcare settings in the absence of N95 masks. They indicated that it was OK to try KN95 masks if no better option was available (at a time when N95 masks were indeed in short supply). They used to have a list of reputable KN95 masks (presumably to weed out the counterfeit ones). I haven't been checking if that list is still there, since it is all utterly obsolete now that N95 masks are no longer in short supply. I just got in my mailbox an add from a company that is selling cases of 500 American-made N95 masks at about $1.80 each, all in stock.

At this time I see no reason why anyone in America should be wearing KN95 masks. One might say "oh, they are cheap and at least they are better than cloth masks." Well, they may be cheap for a reason... because they are counterfeit, that is, they do not have the inner layer of blown melt which is the expensive layer, and is what actually stops the virus. So I'd be highly suspicious of cheap KN95 masks. And if they don't have the blown melt layer, then, no, they aren't better than cloth masks. They are a non-filtering filter... likely with extremely low efficiency.

60% being counterfeit (the figure used to be 70%) is intolerable. It means that more often than not, people are wearing a mask that doesn't work.

Even if one can look up specific makers of KN95 masks as reputable/reliable through FDA endorsement, it doesn't mean that a given mask that pretends to be made by those vendors, is actually made by then. One of the methods that the fraudulent makers use, is to mimic shape/form/color/markings of reputable mask makers.

And finally, even the ones that are not counterfeit are still generally inferior to N95 masks due to the method of attaching them to your face. N95 masks use headbands while KN95 masks use ear loops. The latter are notorious for providing an inferior seal as compared to head bands.

No, people should toss their KN95s in the garbage and purchase reputable N95 masks.

Maybe with one exception: if at the time you got your KN95 masks, they were listed by the FDA as reputable and you purchased them DIRECTLY from the maker, no middleman. AND, if you have an extender that goes behind your head and pulls the ear loops tighter.

Finally, buy American. You'll be helping the economy here, not China's economy. For a while, I've been declining to buy any masks that are not Made in the USA. We need to strengthen our own PPE makers, so that next pandemic we're not caught with our pants down. Manufacturing domestically high quality PPE is a national security topic. We can't rely on unfriendly countries for this sort of thing.

 

Agree 100%. The post the other PF member and I were discussing was this post by me from a while back (10th September).
http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?posts/1072930121/

I just quoted the CDC in that post and he now claims I recommend KN95’s. All I did was quote the CDC update. They have them listed as a mask option that meets international standards with the same warning you referenced. It’s not clear if they recommend any respirator. They just stopped recommending against them. To cover their butts they will have to move slowly. You can’t tell people one day a mask (N95) is bad and the next day tell them you were wrong—they are now good. These bureaucrats are devious but not stupid.

Absolutely we should buy American. If we blow this one, US companies will never even attempt to supply us with quality PPE in the future. They won’t be double crossed again by the government. They will just manufacture something else.

 

And too, the cdc recommends several other masks over the n95 masks. The n95 is a high density filter which people must be trained to wear properly. It’s mainly to protect the wearer and is designed to be replaced. It’s for protection of first responders and medical personnel along with special cases in public use.

With the majority of people now vaccinated, their main duty is to not help spread the virus and wear a mask that’s easy to wear and maintain. We should also still practice social distancing if those around us are anti vacc or their status is unknown. We still have unvaccinated people getting sick in record numbers along with they spreading false rumors.....Tucker among them. It’s a horrible situation.

 

Wrong. The cdc doesn’t recommend the n95 over other options for general use. You miss quote regularly.