Congress may vote ‘No’ on Syria attack

Putting Assad on the same level as god proves my point regarding the totalitarian cult of personality the Baath have created in Syria.

 

What they are is actually insane. All of them. The whole lot. There are terrorists out there. But they don't live in secret caves and have long beards.

They hold high office in Washington, Tel Aviv and London.

They speak in our accents, and dress as 'Westerners'.

They are terrorists and gangsters just the same. The media rarely shows them for what they really are. Why? Well, imagine that Al Capone owned all of the media. How do you suppose Al Capone owned media would portray Al Capone's actions..?

 

It's akin to the prosecuting testimony of the kind used against David Irving. Well, at least that's how I imagine it. Very powerful, albeit off topic... WOW!

 

To be honest, TMR, here is the way I see it.

We are only on this planet for a short time, and both of us are half way through at least.

If people like us don't DO something then our grandchildren will curse us when they grow up. That is if they get the chance, because thanks to the United States of Israel, they seem determined to play god with everyone's life and future and safety. I honestly do not think we can just sit back and hope anymore. Or ask. Or lobby. Or petition. Basically, the way I see it is that the people of the US have had their Gov usurped from under them. It is acting in an erratic manner, that no other country in the World acts like. It's madness is getting worse, and shows no signs of letting up. The same madness afflicts it's illegitimate child, 'Israel'. The nature and haughty arrogance of the US regime is totally indistinguishable from that in the the Knesset. The have literally morphed into one thing, one entity. I would suggest that the latter has absorbed the body politic of the former, and that this action against Syria is just yet one more example of that(agenda) being carried out.

Putin has handled this well. I listened to Assad's interview with the dumb Barbara Walters, and he came off well. But if Obama and Congress push ahead with this, if they attack Syria, if they murder anyone there, and if they raise the risk on all of us, then they need to be held directly accountable. All of them. Not via waving placards and hoping to appeal to their better side. Not through hoping that they will suddenly grow a pair and start acting like true men, rather than a cabal of sick monsters and liars. We need to take out our own pen, and draw our own personal red lines, and say, know what, Edit/Rule 9 and really be prepared for whatever they decide to throw at us, the people of all countries.

Edit/Rule 9 it, let's have a showdown. Why not? If these mad bastards are going to take us all down anyway, then fine, on guard Edit/Rule 9 I say, what is the use of being ground down this way, every single year it is something else with that pair, Israel and their Golem formerly known as America.

If they are going to cause massive death anyway, fine, bring it to a head with them, and let's see who among us is really on their side and who is not.

We cannot just limp along this way, I think in the end, when you add everything up, we are going to have to make a people's declaration that they are terrorists and gangsters, and reject their legitimacy, and consider any friends, associates and constructs of theirs are being that which belongs to a maniac cabal.

If this basically means that we take to streets, and if it means our own police want to even open fire on us, so be it. It is either that or death by a thousand cuts, if we just go from decade to decade, hoping they will change.

Americans need to get out in the streets and take back their country from these parasites.

And we need to do the same.

We cannot just sit and accept this evil anymore.

 

Ah yes, when the data does not comport with the anti-Semitic conspiracy theory then the data must be falsified, of course they are Jews therefore they are lying and they are lying because they are Jews, the sound logic of the anti-Semite never ceases to amaze.

 

I have posted the links and the full quotes, nothing has been taken out of context, they are relevant regarding taking your anecdotal "evidence" over sources; such as, HRW.they stand as evidence showing your total lack of credibility.

 

You're thinking of the totalitarian cults of personality centered in Damascus and Tehran.who slaughter their own citizens in the streets and rule through fear and state terror at the barrel of a gun and now through using WMD's against their own population. They are subhuman trash that must be eliminated if humanity is to survive.

 

Now there you go again ......................

I have never said anything that would give the impression that I have a loving admiration for Hitler, I have said he was quite funny, that as I read him I find I quite like him as a Historical figure and I have said he was good for Germany. Yes in may ways I have admiration for him in other I am not so happy, all this as a person reading about a historical figure.

No we should not have fought either WWI or WWII nor should we fight WWIII and since the USSR was actually the enemy it seams complete madness that we fought Germany who were no threat to us what so ever.

I do not believe the Woolwich thing nope, as I do not believe much ot the silly News propaganda, and the acting in them all is terrible.

Right is that all, shall we get back on topic, or are you just here to have a postmortem on all the other threads we have conversed on or and everything I have ever written?


oooops nearly forgot, oh how could I ! tsh tsh No there was NO Holocaust

 

No they are not relevant. They are my opinions and or questions they do not prove whether or not I am of good character. I don't expect people to believe second hand or even first hand experiences any of us may relate but we are on a public forum, just anon people talking things over we are not in a court of law.

You were not proving that I have ever lied on here, you were merely proving that my beliefs are not liked by you.

Character assassination in other words and you have not proved I am of bad Character

Not that I give a damn what you think of me but that you think it is OK to slam into the person who disagrees with you on here. Not gentlemanly old dear ....................

 

Right, we should have let Europe bleed out in WW1, I agree completely. If we hadn't intervened, there would have been no Treaty of Versailles and no WW2. Now about that WW2 thingy. I'm still trying to wrap my head around a good way we could have bowed out of that one in Europe since Germany DID declare war on us. "Sorry Dolphy, but we've no time to come and play with you today, we have a prior commitment to hang out with Tojo".

 

Explain to me a one reason -why USA must bombing Syria .The Syria made some special action on USA's territory ? Or may be USA want failed to show how big dick they have ?

 

No one can argue why US "must" bomb Syria because it doesnt, I can give you a few reasons why it should thou.

 

Here you see the interesting effect of Hitler having copied all his racism from the US Science of Eugenics. After in 1934 the Nazis as 33rd state in the world had released race hygiene laws to protect the Aryan "master race" (behind Sweden, Canada, Switzerland and 27 US States), the US Eugenicist Charles M. Goethe wrote to a colleague:

, "You will be interested to know that your work has played a powerful part in shaping the opinions of the group of intellectuals who are behind Hitler in this epoch-making program. Everywhere I sensed that their opinions have been tremendously stimulated by American thought . . . I want you, my dear friend, to carry this thought with you for the rest of your life, that you have really jolted into action a great government of 60 million people."

At home the Nazis promoted race hygiene with the 1927 US Supreme Court ruling Buck vs. Bell:

It is better for all the world if, instead of waiting to execute degenerate offspring for crime or to let them starve for their imbecility, society can prevent those who are manifestly unfit from continuing their kind....Three generations of imbeciles are enough

In 1945 the Nazis were hanged for Eugenics, in all other countries it was renamed, its traces erased from history books. The effect is seen in the quote above. Eugenics is alive and kicking.


http://www.sfgate.com/opinion/article/Eugenics-and-the-Nazis-the-California-2549771.php#page-4
http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/historics/USSC_CR_0274_0200_ZO.html

 

Israel . Why i not wonder...lol Whose has talking about but not only Israel

 

What ?

 

The same "What ?" in your head only.
That is very explicit to see to make another one discussion about is nonsense,in order to that Israel gaily support any action of USA against Syria

 

How about this :
JERUSALEM — The American Israel Public Affairs Committee, the powerful pro-Israel lobby in Washington, plans to dispatch 300 of its members to Capitol Hill on Tuesday as part of a broad campaign to press Congress to back President Obama’s proposed strike on Syria, the group said Monday.


The push by the group, known as Aipac, which included asking its supporters to call members of Congress, came as Israeli newspapers reported Monday that President Obama urged Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to get personally involved in lobbying Congress. The reports said that Mr. Netanyahu had called several members himself.

But while those reports could not be confirmed, the intense push by Aipac and other Jewish and pro-Israel groups put Israel in a bind, after a week of trying to stay on the sidelines of the debate. Mr. Netanyahu’s government strongly supports an American strike to punish President Bashar al-Assad of Syria for his apparent use of chemical weapons, and as a warning to his Iranian patrons. But Israelis are deeply worried about being blamed by a wary American public for another military gambit in the Middle East, or of losing their broad bipartisan support if they land on the wrong side of the vote.

“It is a major dilemma, what Israel should do on the Hill,” a senior Israeli official said Monday, speaking on the condition of anonymity because of a dictate from Mr. Netanyahu not to discuss the Syria situation publicly. “We don’t want to be identified with pressing for a strike. This is not for us — we don’t want anybody to think this is for us,” the official said. “But if the president asks us for assistance, who are we to refuse?”

Mark Regev, a spokesman for Mr. Netanyahu, declined to discuss the prime minister’s conversations with Mr. Obama, or to say whether Mr. Netanyahu had indeed called members of Congress, as reported by the newspaper Yediot Aharonot. The Israeli official who spoke anonymously pointed to a Facebook post last week by Michael B. Oren, Israel’s ambassador to Washington, agreeing with President Obama’s argument for attacking Syria, as having given the green light for Aipac to spring into action.

But if Aipac, as an American organization, has a role to play in Washington debates, several Israeli analysts said that any direct involvement by Israeli officials was problematic.

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Mr. Rafiah, who served in Washington during the Yom Kippur War in 1973, recalled lobbying Congress directly to press the White House to intervene. “But then we were in danger — that’s different,” he said. “Now Israel is not attacked by anyone. Now Israel has the might — I hope, as I’m told — to defend itself. Now we are only concerned about the stature, the leadership, of the United States in the world.”



Shmuel Sandler, an expert on American-Israel relations at Bar Ilan University, said: “There was no option but to support the president — we had to choose between bad and worse, and worse is Assad winning. It would be better to be clear about the fact that we did not initiate it and that Obama asked us.”

Mr. Obama and his secretary of state have repeatedly invoked Israel in their arguments for a strike. The White House has reached out to Aipac, as well as to the Anti-Defamation League and the Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations, who held a conference call on Monday to discuss lobbying strategy.

Alon Pinkas, a former Israeli consul general in New York, said five members of Congress had called to consult with him in the past four days.
“There’s nothing sinister, nothing conspiratorial, nothing wrong with the lobbying arm relating to Israel and the Middle East supporting the president on this issue,” said Abraham H. Foxman, the Anti-Defamation League’s national director. “You don’t need a phone call from the prime minister to understand that Israel’s interest is with the United States taking military action because it’s a message to Iran. You don’t have to be a nuclear physicist to figure out where Israel stands.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/10/w...s-congress-on-syria.html?ref=middleeast&_r=1&

 

What about it ?

Ill repeat my answer, US doesnt "have" to attack Syria but it has some good reasons to.

 

I presume you've failed to understand the rest of my post,


The only "good reasons would be make it easier for Israel to attack Iran .


- You'll find most Americans disagree and see no reasons to invade/attack Syria
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A NY Times poll which explored U.S. attitudes toward military intervention in general (not just Syria) found Americans are even less favorably inclined now than they were in the past (and they were never very enthusiastic about the notion).
Obama, with all his faults, is not a stupid politician. I think he recognizes the systemic limitations he faces. I simply don’t believe the lesson he’ll learn from this failure will be that he needs to gin up a new intervention.

Further, Iran’s new president, Hassan Rouhani holds out the best chance for rapprochement in a decade. Obama, again not a stupid man, has to see that he now has an interlocutor he never had in Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. If he wanted one, Obama can make a deal with this man.

The problem will be, of course, that once we’ve invested so much energy in demonizing Iran, it will be politically difficult to convince the American people and a harsh, unforgiving GOP majority in the House that we should make any deals with the ‘devil’ (Iran, that is).


Where does that leave Israel? Bibi Netanyahu wants a war with Iran (or at least a big, bad bloody nose for the ayatollahs). He’s been doing his damndest to drag the U.S. into one. Obama has rightly resisted the siren call. So, as a Christian evangelist might ask: what would Bibi do? I think it’s even more likely that Israel will attack Iran than previously. I don’t know when. But I would say there’s a better than 50% chance of this happening.

Bibi is a deeply stubborn man who holds a grudge. Regardless of the possible truth (which is questionable) of any Israeli claims about Iran’s nuclear ambition, now Bibi will be out to show Obama the error of his ways. One of his sacral memes is the betrayal of Israel by other nations. With Obama’s defeat, the Israeli PM has further proof that no goy can be trusted when the fate of the Jewish people hangs in the balance. Bibi will want to attack Iran l’hach’is (“out of spite&#8221. If he does, it will be an utter disaster for Iran, Israel and the region.

http://www.richardsilverstein.com/

Tikun Olam


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Your English is terrible...


Israel does not only support US should it attack Assad regime but made a few attacks on its own - which is partly the reason we dont understand the "fear" from sending a few US misslies on your pupy dictator, I dont know..., seems to me you Russians "support" Assad by sending him missiles that blow anyway by Israel and ships that just stand in the water......is rather "Gay", oh look, Putin has "peace" proposal, how lovely

 

If US does what Israel asks of her than there is no need for Israeli plains to travel over Syria anyway..., in fact, the interst would be to keep Syrians at war with each other and that requires 1 Assad still alive and kicking.

 

1) AIPAC Jews have demanded it.

2) Netenyahu wants it.

3) Rabbi's want it

Any more?

 

My English is good enough to say 'something good' to you crying baby.

 

Neither of the Wars should have been fought by anyone .....they were, as this next one will be,unless Putin stops it, for money all and only for money.

 

Obama asked them to support it, stop your Nazi persecution please it shames you as a person.