Congress may vote ‘No’ on Syria attack

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  1. Mandrake

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    Not sailors, soldiers. Troop transports are nasty. Ask anyone who has ever had to be in one. Planes or ships, they both suck. I flew from Scott AFB to Alaska in one----hated every minute of it.
     
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    Is there some reason why you are relying on the Russians for your news on this topic?
     
  3. Face. Your

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    It shows a definitive evidence for the sick cult of personality under the Baath in Syria.
     
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    The quotes regarding your loving admiration of Adolf Hitler, your denial of the holocaust, your claims of the Lee Rigby murder being a staged event, your assertions that we should have joined the war on the side of the Nazi's, etc. have been provided in full with links, nothing was taken out of context, your words are online in perpetuity so there is no use lying about them.
     
  5. Jack Napier

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    FY, WTF does the topic of this thread have to do with ANYTHING you've just written? I care to talk about the subject at hand, and it's hard when I keep seeing messages from you going on about crap like that.

    Any chance of staying on topic..?
     
  6. Jiyuu-Freedom

    Jiyuu-Freedom Keep the peace Past Donor

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    Wait a minute. Obama's friends the Jews in Syria? He has shown Israel that he wasn't interested when they the President wanted to meet with Obama over his concern about Iran having nuclear weapons. No, Obama's friends are the 'Muslim brotherhood" and like I said, he want's to save face. I actually think he likes Morsi.

    Let's throw Turkey in that mix. It doesn't make sense to me!!

    This is Obama's baby. He made the first statement over a year ago about drawing a red line if Syria uses chemical weapons on their people.

    I can't wait to hear his address to the nation on Tuesday. He will blame Congress. Watch.
     
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    That may well be true, but at least he it is a secular, "sick cult of personality under the Baath in Syria".
    Some people rate a secular government as more important then a democratic one, such as Mursi's Egypt.
    The West has not had to face the challenge of secular government for centuries.
    Although I do believe Poland has declared itself a Roman Catholic nation & behaves accordingly.

    Secular vs Islamist government remains a tug of war in Muslim nations regardless of "style" of government.
    Old feuds remain such as the Royals don't like the Baathist don't like the Islamist don't like the Royals, etc.
    So the Royals just take advantage of today's situation to be anti Assad / Baathist.
    Just the latest moves in their old game.

    Would anyone really prefer an Islamist Syria ? I doubt the metropolitan Syrians would.

    Moi :oldman:
     
  8. Jack Napier

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    I'm convinced. He and his entire Gov must be anti Israel then. It's the ONLY possible conclusion.
     
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    The President has contradicted himself on several occasions. There are times where, to his credit he's had an Anti-zionist policy(We can be sure the Neo-Cons would have by now had us in Iran.) As well as the calling for the halting of settlements.

    While at the same time, he's done absolutely nothing substantial to back up his "Anti-Israeli" stance. In many ways, considering the black lash against Zionism as a whole that's risen during the 21st century, The Zionists should be rather thankful that Obama is merely an antagonizing wasp and should remain silent.
     
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    You mean the ILLEGAL 'settlements'? Okay, aside from playing the role of 'calling for the halt'....did Israel halt then? Or one day after the majority of World nations voted for a Palestinian state(just last year), which way did Obama and his Gov vote? And how many hours after the vote was it that the Jews announced(it typical haughty manner), the creation of yet MORE illegal settlements?

    And what did President Obama, keeper of peace, bringer of change, impartial in the Middle East, Nobel Peace Prize Winner...what did he DO about it?

    You're smart.

    You know that to make the trick work, they've got to give off the illusion of occasional dissent.
     
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    The Rebels are wrecking a defenseless Christian village of maaloula at the min.

    I cant post links, but google search maaloula for more info.

    There was no military assets in this village, but the Jihadists just want to wreck the place.

    Thanks Obama

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    This village is one of the last places to still speak the same language spoken by Jesus Christ. I think we have a motive now...
     
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    So congress is going to vote on bombing Syria for fighting Jihadists.

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    Maybe Obama will launch air strikes to help out these rebels who are wrecking an ancient Christian village and its people?

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    How many more retarded US politicians will trot out the line about this 'being our Munich moment'..?

    'Kerry' being the latest to have done so.

    The French are mocking Hollande as Obama’s “lackey” who in a TV satire is seen interrupting a visit to a school to ask Obama’s permission to use the bathroom.

    “This is not the time to be silent spectators to slaughter,” Kerry moralizes to us while American drones and bombs land on innocents in Yemen, Pakistan, and Afghanistan.

    ‘This is not the time to allow a dictator unfettered use of some of the most heinous weapons on earth,” vomits out Kerry.

    Of course, we all know that morons like Kerry do little more than read out what which is written for them. Most of the time, they likely do not even understand(nor care), of the full meaning or implications.

    It's better to look to the men that write the words for the Kerry's of this World to parrot out to a global media.

    Step forward Stephen Krupin.

    Former intern of the pro-Israel think tank, The Solomon Project.

    http://thepassionateattachment.com/...ria-created-by-a-protege-of-the-israel-lobby/
     
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    Why the hell are the west siding with these filth?

     
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    Leaving all else aside, does anyone else find it cringeworthy, the sort of paternal tone that Obama and his ilk take when speaking. Just listen to them make any sort of public address. They sound precisely like parents giving children a lecture.
     
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    This is the latest 'gem'. They must be taking the (*)(*)(*)(*). It's almost as if the USA turned into Monty Payton Flying Circus. Just listen to this plonker.

    White House: “Common-Sense Test” And Not “Irrefutable” Evidence Hold Assad Responsible

    By Daniel Politi
    Posted Sunday, Sept. 8, 2013, at 12:24 PM


    http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slat...ommon_sense_test_links_assad_to_chemical.html
     
  17. Jack Napier

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    “Common-Sense Test”?

    :roflol::roflol:
     
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    Abject nonsense, both sides fought themselves to exhaustion, Hezbollah uses Christians as human shields and assassinates their leaders, I have provided the evidence for that as well as the Hezbollah manifesto proving that Hezbollah is an Iranian puppet and overtly theocratic.

    Hezbollah is not a professional military they are a paramilitary terrorist organization in violation of the UNSC resolution to disarm, and their tactic of choice is attacking civilians.
     
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    Christians in Lebanon are not threatened by Hezbollah in any way. I told you before Hezbollah is tolerant toward other people, religions and ethnic groups within Lebanon. The only thing threatening Christians in Lebanon are the extremist Sunnis who have proven that they do not tolerate anything, including their own culture. That is the reason why Hezbollah + Christians are slowly beginning to unite to form a coalition against the radical Sunnis. Nothing is worse than a wahhabi or salafi savage, and everybody in Lebanon and Syria know that.

    Christians in Syria are being wiped out by your beloved rebels. Already 30 have been beheaded in Maalaloula. I am sure Obama is celebrating this glorious victory for his wahhabi brothers. Almost every young Christian man in Syria is already serving in National Defense Force. Men of all sects are joining. They stand united against terrorism and Obama's mercenaries. Every member in NDF is being trained by Hezbollah volunteers and Iranians. It is ironic that the Iranians and Hezbollah are protecting and training Christians, while the Christian "Western Countries" are supporting wahhabis , salafis, cannibals, and other savages who destroy everything. What a sick pathetic world we live in. Americans should be ashamed of their disgraseful corrupt and treasonus government.
     
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    I disagree. The are a legitimate Lebanese resistance movement, who are there to supplement the regular army.

    I consider 'the Zionist entity' to be a terrorist and occupational state in violation of hundreds of UNSC resolutions.

    Funny how you only care about the UN when it suits..

    - - - Updated - - -

    :applause:

    Earned.
     
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    Some of USA's politicians stuck into last century . Enough one of their sentence to hear to make an objective opinion that all these USA's politicians are nuts .
     
  22. Face. Your

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    As per usual the holocaust deniers run away in the light of the unequivocal amount of evidence against their nonsensical claims.

    First off there was absolutely no citation in the post I was replying to, you provided absolutely nothing.

    Second of all the wiki articles I used were well referenced with numerous citations.

    What proposal are you referring to? Hitlers intent was always expansion through aggressive wars of conquest in the East, he said so himself all the way back in 1925:


    Therefore we National Socialists have purposely drawn a line through the line of conduct followed by pre-War Germany in foreign policy. We put an end to the perpetual Germanic march towards the South and West of Europe and turn our eyes towards the lands of the East. We finally put a stop to the colonial and trade policy of pre-War times and pass over to the territorial policy of the future.

    But when we speak of new territory in Europe to-day we must principally think of Russia and the border States subject to her.

    This colossal Empire in the East is ripe for dissolution. And the end of the Jewish domination in Russia will also be the end of Russia as a State. We are chosen by Destiny to be the witnesses of a catastrophe which will afford the strongest confirmation of the nationalist theory of race.


    http://greatwar.nl/books/meinkampf/meinkampf.pdf

    You know absolutely nothing about WW2 Hisotry the Gleiwitz Incident was the most famous of several false flag operations conducted under Operation Himmler to make it appear that Poland was the aggressor and justify a German invasion that was already pre-planned in 1939 under the secret protocol of the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact.

    lmfao this is a neo-Nazi website with not a single citation, and it is referencing the killing of Nazi collaborators after the invasion of Poland not before as you implied.

    Hitler ordered Ribbentrop to sabotage the Danzig negotiations as the plan to invade had already been established under the secret protocol of the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact.

    The only dire situation in Czechoslovakia was the illegal German invasion and annexation for Lebensraum through a war of conquest.

    They didn't invade the Soviet Union because it was a war they could not win.

    It does use the term final solution, and I proved in the links following that the Poznen speeches make it unquestionably clear that final solution is a euphemism for extermination not deportation.

    Abject nonsense and a blatant lie as proven conclusively by the Poznen speeches that I provided, the Madagascar Plan was abandoned after the failed invasion of Britain because they would have needed the British merchant fleet.

    The move east was to extermination camps, that was the final solution as I have already proven beyond any shadow of a doubt.

    Nobody gives it any weight because it's abject nonsense proliferated by neo-Nazi's and anti-Semites.

    WTF are you blathering about?

    Again WTF are you talking about? The Einsatzgrupen shot appx. 1 million Jews for being Jewish prior to establishment of the extermination camps and industrialized genocide.


    Again what are you blathering about, Himmler was not the author of any of the transcripts I provided, the Wannssee Transcripts came from Eichmann who himself authenticated them during his trial.

    lmfao, you just tried to play the World Almanac Gambit which I specifically debunked in my post that you are responding to, the World Almanac census for 1948 is based on 1938 data, the newest census conducted was in 1949 and it shows a nearly 5.5 million Jewish population drop, you are no contest whatsoever:
    http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/ftp.cgi?people//f/freedman.benjamin/background-data

    It's not spam it's called evidence, the only lie being spouted here is by you, the only point you even tried to refute from the numerous facts I presented was with regards to the Wannssee Transcript, by stating that the final solution was a euphemism for deportation, but that is a blatant lie as proven conclusively by the Pozen speeches.

    Every single time you post this bull(*)(*)(*)(*) anywhere on this forum I will be there with the facts and the evidence for which you have absolutely zero valid rebuttal:


    You people have been provided the Special Operational Reports of the Einsatzgrupen to the SS-Reichssicherheitshauptamt Reich Main Security Office (RSHA) detailing the targeting of Jews, the dates of the killings, where they were killed, and how many:

    http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/sitreptoc.html

    You have been shone the authentication of those reports by SS-Sturmbannführer Kurt Lindow chief of subdepartment IV A 1 [of the RSHA] who received them.

    http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/orgs/german/einsatzgruppen/esg/authenticity.html

    You have been provided the Jager report produced by SS-Standartenführer Karl Jäger, commander of Einsatzkommando 3 detailing the extermination of Lithuanian Jewry including nearly 40,000 children:

    http://fcit.usf.edu/holocaust/resource/document/DocJager.htm

    You have been shown the testimony of Morgen, Kremer, Böck, Hofmann, Hössler, Klein, Münch, and Stark, all high ranking Nazis, none charged with any crimes, who all came forward of their own volition to testify, and to this day have not recanted their testimony to their dying day,

    You have been shown the Wannsee Transcripts outlining the Final Solution to the Jewish question.

    http://www.writing.upenn.edu/~afilreis/Holocaust/wansee-transcript.html

    You have been shown the testimony of SS Obersturmbannführer Adolf Eichmann the man who took the minutes of the conference who confirmed them as authentic during his trial under questioning from his defense attorney's Robert Servatius and Dieter Wechtenbruch:in the German.

    http://www.ghwk.de/ghwk/engl/texts/eichmanns-testimony.pdf

    [video=youtube;kPFcMy1oLIA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPFcMy1oLIA[/video]

    [video=youtube;m3TqRrAK4e0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3TqRrAK4e0[/video]

    You have been shown Reichsführer Heinrich Himmler's Poznan Speech of October 4, 1943 proving that Final Solution was a euphemism for extermination and not deportation:

    I am now referring to the evacuation of the Jews, the extermination of the Jewish people. It's one of those things that is easily said: 'The Jewish people are being exterminated', says every party member, 'this is very obvious, it's in our program, elimination of the Jews, extermination, we're doing it, hah, a small matter.' [...] But of all those who talk this way, none had observed it, none had endured it. Most of you here know what it means when 100 corpses lie next to each other, when 500 lie there or when 1,000 are lined up. To have endured this and at the same time to have remained a decent person - with exceptions due to human weaknesses - had made us tough. This is a page of glory never mentioned and never to be mentioned. [...] We have the moral right, we had the duty to our people to do it, to kill this people who wanted to kill us.

    http://www.holocaust-history.org/himmler-poznan/

    And another on October 6, 1943:

    I ask of you that that which I say to you in this circle be really only heard and not ever discussed. We were faced with the question: what about the women and children? – I decided to find a clear solution to this problem too. I did not consider myself justified to exterminate the men - in other words, to kill them or have them killed and allow the avengers of our sons and grandsons in the form of their children to grow up. The difficult decision had to be made to have this people disappear from the earth. For the organisation which had to execute this task, it was the most difficult which we had ever had. [...] I felt obliged to you, as the most superior dignitary, as the most superior dignitary of the party, this political order, this political instrument of the Führer, to also speak about this question quite openly and to say how it has been. The Jewish question in the countries that we occupy will be solved by the end of this year. Only remainders of odd Jews that managed to find hiding places will be left over.


    You have been shown the comparative World Almanac census statistics for the global Jewish population showing a drop of nearly 5.5 million between 1938 and 1949.

    http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/ftp.cgi?people//f/freedman.benjamin/background-data

    You have been shown the Nazi document showing that an 80,000 cremation capacity per month at Auschwitz was insufficient.

    http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/topf/

    You have been shown the details of the mass graves excavated at Belzec:

    Grave 3 is 16 meters long by 15 meters wide by 5 meters deep (about 52 feet by 50 feet by 16 feet.)

    Grave 10 is 24 meters long by 18 meters wide by 5 meters deep (about 78 feet by 59 feet by 16 feet.)

    Grave 20 extends outside the current camp boundaries and so could not be completely measured. The part that could be measured is 26 meters long by 11 meters wide by 5 meters deep (85 feet by 36 feet by 16 feet).

    More dishonestly, Mattogno fails to mention at all that Graves 1, 4, 13, 25, 27, 28 and 32 also contain unburned remains.

    Therefore, out of 10 graves that held whole human remains, Mattogno only acknowledges 3 of them.

    Grave 5 contains "pieces of burnt human bones so densely packed together that the drill could not penetrate further." The grave is 32 meters long by 10 meters wide by 4.50 meters deep (about 105 feet by 33 feet by 15 feet).

    Grave 6 is 30 meters long by 10 meters wide by 4 meters deep (about 99 feet by 33 feet by 13 feet). It contains "carbonized wood and pieces of fragments of burnt human bones. At the east end of the grave, the ground is covered with gray sand containing a mixture of crushed pieces of burnt and unburned pieces of human bones."

    Graves 3, 10, 11, 12, 13, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, and 33 all contain fragments of burnt human bones, human ashes and carbonized wood.

    Grave 14 is the largest in the camp. It contains "burnt pieces of human bones and fragments of carbonized wood mixed with grey sandy soil to a depth of 5 meters." That is about 16 feet deep.

    http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspo t.com/2006/05/carlo-mattogno-on-belzec.html

    You have been shown the unrepentant testimony of SS-Gruppenführer Otto Ohlendorf head of Einsatzgruppen D outlining the rear actions of the Einsatzagruppen regarding the intentional murder of ethnic Jews in the East based on their blood including the women and children:


    Q. What were these orders?

    A. These orders had as their purpose to make it as easy as possible for the unfortunate victim and to prevent the brutality of the men from leading to inevitable excesses. Thus I first ordered that only so many victims should be brought to the place of execution as the execution commandos could handle. Any individual action by any individual man was forbidden. The Einsatzkommandos shot in a military manner only upon orders. It was strictly ordered to avoid any maltreatment, undressing was not permitted. The taking of any personal possessions was not permitted. Publicity was not permitted, and at the very moment when it was noted that a man had experienced joy in carrying out these executions, it was ordered that this man should never participate in any more executions. The men could not report voluntarily, they were ordered.
    Q. Why did you not prevent the liquidations?

    A. Even if I use the most severe standard in judging this, I had as little possibility as any of the codefendants here to prevent this order. There was only one thing, a senseless martyrdom through suicide, senseless because this would not have changed anything in the execution of this order, for this order was not an order of the SS, it was an order of the Supreme Commander in Chief and the Chief of State; it was not only carried out by Himmler or Heydrich. The army had to carry it out too, the High Command of the Army as well as the commanders in the east and southeast who were the superior commanders for the Einsatzgruppen and Einsatzkommandos. If I could imagine a theoretical possibility, then there was only the refusal on the part of those persons who were in the uppermost hierarchy and could appeal to the Supreme Commander and Chief of State, because they had the only possibility of getting access to him. They were, after all, the highest bearers of responsibility in the theater of operations.

    Q. Did you not try in Nikolaev to dissuade the Reich Leader SS from this order?

    A. The situation in Nikolaev was especially depressing in a moral sense, because in agreement with the army, we had excluded a large number of Jews, the farmers, from the executions. When the Reich Leader SS was in Nikolaev on 4 or 5 October, I was reproached for this measure and he ordered that henceforth, even against the will of the army, the executions should take place as planned. When the Reich Leader SS arrived at my headquarters, I had assembled all available commanders of my Einsatzgruppe. The Reich Leader addressed these men and repeated the strict order to kill all those groups which I have designated. He added that he alone would carry the responsibility, as far as accounting to the Fuehrer was concerned. None of the men would bear any responsibility, but he demanded the execution of this order, even though he knew how harsh these measures were. Nevertheless, after supper, I spoke to the Reich Leader and I pointed out the inhuman burden which was being imposed on the men in killing all these civilians. I didn't even get an answer.

    Q. Now, I cannot pronounce it correctly, the Karaims were another sect whom you encountered in the south of Russia, and this sect had no Jewish blood, but it did share the religious confessions of the Jews. Is that right?

    A. Yes.

    Q. You submitted to Berlin the question whether the Karaims should be killed, and I understood you to say that the order you got from Berlin was you shall not kill them for they have nothing in common with the Jews except the confession?

    A. Yes.

    Q. Will you explain to the Court, please, what difference there was between the Karaims and the Krimchaks, except Jewish blood ?

    A. I understand your question completely in reference to the eastern Jews, in the case of the Jews who were found in the eastern campaign. These Jews were to be killed-according to the order-for the reason that they were considered carriers of bolshevism, and, therefore, considered as endangering the security of the German Reich. This concerned the Jews who were found in Russia, and it was not known to me that the Jews in all of Europe were being killed, but on the contrary I knew that down to my dismissal these Jews were not killed, but it was attempted at all costs to get them to emigrate. The fact that the Karaims were not killed showed that the charge of the prosecution that persons were persecuted for their religion is not correct, for the Karaims had that Jewish religion, but they could not be killed because they did not belong to the Jewish race.

    Q. I think, Witness, you answered exactly what I had antici-

    *Sect which refused the Talmud and adopted the Old Testament as sole source of faith.
    **Turkish Jews of mixed Semitic and Tartaric blood.

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    pated in the last sentence, "They did not belong to the JewishRace," is that right?

    A. Yes, That is right.

    Q. They were found in Russia?

    A. Yes.

    Q. But they participated in the Jewish confession in Russia?

    A. The Karaims had the Jewish faith, yes.

    Q. But your race authorities in Berlin could find no trace of Jewish blood in them?

    A. Yes.

    Q. So they came absolutely under the Fuehrer Decree or the Streckenbach Order to kill all Jews?

    A. Yes.

    Q. Because of blood?

    A. Because they were of Jewish origin. For you must understand the Nazi ideology, as you call it. It was the opinion of the Fuehrer that in Russia and in bolshevism, the representatives of this blood showed themselves especially suitable for this idea, therefore, the carriers of this blood became especially suitable representatives of the bolshevism. That is not on account of their faith, or their religion, but because of their human make-up and character.

    Q. And because of their blood, right?

    A. I cannot express it any more definitely than I stated, from their nature and their characteristics. Their blood, of course, has something to do with it, according to National Socialist ideology.

    Q. Let's see, if I can understand it; we've got a lot of time, I hope. What was the distinction except blood?

    A. Between whom?

    B. Between the Karaims and the Krimchaks?

    A. The difference of the blood, yes.

    Q. Only the difference in blood, is that so?

    A. Yes.

    Q. So the criterion and the test which you applied in your slaughter was blood?

    A. The criteria which I used were the orders which I got, and it has not been doubted during the entire trial, that in this
    Fuehrer Order the Jews were designated as the ones who belonged to that circle in Russia and who were to be killed.

    Q. Tell us how orders that you operated under in 1941 in Russia differed from the order which controlled killing of Jews in Poland in 1939 ?

    A. In Poland individual actions had been ordered, while in Russia, during the entire time of the commitment, the killing of all Jews had been ordered. Special actions in Poland had been ordered, whose contents I do not know in detail.

    COL. AMEN: Were all victims, including the men, women, and children executed in the same manner?

    OHLENDORF: Until the spring of 1942, yes. Then an order came from Himmler that in the future women and children were to be killed only in gas vans.

    COL. AMEN: How had women and children been killed previously?

    OHLENDORF: In the same was as the men - by shooting.

    COL. POKROVSKY: You said that mostly women and children were executed in these vans. For what reason?

    OHLENDORF: That was a special order from Himmler to the effect that women and children were not to be exposed to the mental strain of the executions; and thus the men of the kommandos, mostly married men, should not be compelled to aim at women and children.

    THE TRIBUNAL (Gen. Niktchenko): In your testimony you said that the Einsatz group had the object of annihilating the Jews and the commissars, is that correct?

    OHLENDORF: Yes.

    THE TRIBUNAL (Gen. Niktchenko): And in what category did you consider the children? For what reason were the children massacred?

    OHLENDORF: The order was that the Jewish population should be totally exterminated.

    THE TRIBUNAL (Gen. Niktchenko): Including the children?

    OHLENDORF: Yes.

    THE TRIBUNAL (Gen. Niktchenko): Were all the Jewish children murdered?

    OHLENDORF: Yes.


    http://www.ess.uwe.ac.uk/genocide/Einsatz2c.htm
    http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/nuremberg/Ohlentestimony.html

    You have been shown the report from SS Reichsführer Heinrich Himmler to Fuhrer Adolf Hitler entitled "Report to the Führer on Combating Partisans", stating that 363,211 Jews had been killed by Einsatzgruppen in August–November 1942.

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    You have been shown the Höfle Telegrams sent by SS-Sturmbannführer Hermann Höfle on January 11, 1943 to SS-Obersturmbannführer Adolf Eichmann in Berlin and SS Obersturmbannführer Franz Heimdetailing in Cracow detailing the number of deaths of Jews in the concentration camps.

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    You have been shown the Korherr Report written by chief inspector of the statistical bureau of the SS, Dr Richard Korherr outlining the population drop of European Jewry (4 million not including substantial portions of Eastern European Jewry and Jews within occupied Soviet Russia) from 1937 to December 1942.

    http://www.holocaustresearchproject.o rg/holoprelude/korherr.html

    And now you have been shown the searchable database of over 4.2 million names and back stories of Jewish victims of the Shoah compiled by Yad Vashem.

    http://db.yadvashem.org/names/search.html?language=en
     
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    What does all that crap have to do with Syria????
     
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    Nothing. Looks like that was another one USA's UFO.
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    It's their patronising 'sticking two fingers' up at worldwide public opinion that this paternalism engenders which is the most cringeworthy aspect in all this, imo. The fact that the public haven't been persuaded by their arguments, despite their wall-to-wall PR and spin, aided by a complicit media machine, is the thing that really pisses them off big time. Their narcissism and general revulsion with public attitudes in relation to this and, for example, Iraq is put down to ignorance on the part of the masses that must be corrected at all costs.
     

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