Connecticut Supreme Court upholds ruling that teen must undergo chemo

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  1. Private Citizen

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    So glad i left CT and cant wait to leave Mass....
     
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    This from a state/government who yanks babies from wombs, killing them in the process.

    Don't get me wrong: I'm not all that opposed to abortion. But to say this teen should be forced into using poison because the state has the obligation to preserve her life is just plain ludicrous when they have a tax-subsidized abortion clinic on every corner.

    How did America get so (*)(*)(*)(*)ed up? And Dr. What'sHisName, nobody cares about your cancer. This story isn't about you. It was, what are you now? 50? So it was 30+ years ago.

    If the girl wants to die, let her die. The state might have an obligation to do whatever it can to ease suffering, but not to go against her wish to let the cancer take her life. No, it's not equitable to suicide. What a silly comparison.
     
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    I agree. On one corner a life can be taken even if perfectly healthy. On the next you can be forced to take poison to preserve a life. A ss backwards!
    Our great grandparents quit caring and we followed their lead

    Not enough information for me to understand???

    Agreed this whole story is silly. She is a minor but her parent supports her decision. The court has no place telling this girl what to do. She has the right to die with dignity. There is no guarantee chemo will even work or stop it from coming back. America the land of the free has become the land of the slaves.
     
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    The doctor in the video. I've seen him babble about all kinds of things, not the least of which is how dangerous e-cigs are. The dumb ass doesn't have a clue. I don't like him, don't trust him, and if he says something, I'm inclined to believe the opposite. He's a pawn for the CDC.
     
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    I saw this on the news last night.....was surprised that the mother went along w/the girl's wishes for no chemo......

    I've been there and done that w/my own beloved daughter about 7 yrs ago when she was diagnosed w/leukemia. She did the chemo, lost her hair, all of the stuff that goes along w/chemo treatments and is now cancer free and has been for around the past 5 yrs. Her immune system is back to normal and according to her oncologist, she's doing very well and she feels good.......

    Yes, chemo is poison - wish they had a better treatment system, but until they do....

    What a shame about this teenager. She's only 17 and the drs said she has an 85% chance of survival. If I was her mom, I'd be encouraging her to go for it.... I would not want to lose my child and would be talking to her about being a fighter.... don't give up.

    When I heard this, I was looking for a religious reason for refusing treatment, like Jehovah Witness, Christian Scientist - something. Nothing was said about that.......
     
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    ok, question.

    can the state force-feed someone who has gone on a hunger strike?

    would that also not be considere a form of passive-suicide?
     
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    If cancer is caught in the 1st stage, which is what happened to my daughter, chances are great you will be cancer free and my kid has blood work done every year to make sure it hasn't come back and it hasn't..... so she has been able to go on w/her life, being a wife and mommy to her young daughter.... and keeping me, her mommy, happy b/c she's a FIGHTER.... but then that's how I raised her.
     
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    I thought The People have a right to refuse medical treatment?
     
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    I thought CT was better than that. Guess not.
     
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    The land of the free is a misnomer as freedom is not without limits.

    "The teen believes the chemotherapy will do more damage to her body than the cancer will". "The single mother said she and her daughter want to seek alternative treatments"
    http://www.foxnews.com/health/2015/...-upholds-ruling-that-teen-must-undergo-chemo/

    An interesting argument of which I can see both sides. But if the docs think the treatment will save her life, and they have medical evidence and past successes to prove it then i say give her chemo.
     
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    Yes, I can understand researching alternative treatments, but I sure wouldn't waste much time. There's a not of success stories out there for chemo patients and the younger you are, the better you'd be able to handle the treatments.......
     
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    What happened to "Women have the right to there bodies!!!!".. Where is the War on Women left for this girl?
     
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    They did it in Gitmo....
     
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    I think this is a fundamentally different case in which this young lady is fighting for her life, and while she may want to search on alternative measures. Cancer is one of the worst diseases in the world, it can progress very quickly and often without you noticing it. If she takes too much time, it might progress to the point where she can't treat it.

    I pray for her safety and for her good health, and for the good health of all people.
     
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    Its her choice imo.
     
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    I think the difference there is that that is someone in state custody, isn't it? I don't imagine that if I, who am not in state custody, decided to go on a hunger strike to protest whaling, that the state would force feed me.

    So this is different. If the child was a 17yo and a ward of the state, I could see your point, but the child isn't.
     
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    I can't wrap my brain around what this MOTHER is doing to her 17 yr old, just a KID, daughter! You don't leave a life threatening decision up to your under-age kid......well, in my world, a responsible parent doesn't.....

    True, chemo is miserable, but it's a chance you have to take and 85% chance of survival is something to fight for....
     
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    And it shouldn't be. She's underage, has a mother and the mother should be talking to the oncologist about treatment, getting all the info and informing her underage kid, who's in her custody this is what's going to take place and the sooner the better......

    RP, it that was your 17 yr old - would you let him/her make a life or death decision like that?
     
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    It it was a rush judgement? No. But she seems to be informed about Chemo and its effects.
     
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    And I'm sure she's also been informed about the success of chemo treatments when it's started early enuf and patients are cancer-free.

    That's what this kid should be focused on.... the rest of her life after recovery. That's what her mother should be talking to her about - her future. And to at least try to guarantee her a future, as her mother and legal guardian, I would take that decision out of her hands and tell her to "buck up, kid! You're now in the fight for your life and you're going to win!" .... and I wouldn't back down b/c I would love her to much to let her have her own way that could kill her......

    There are some decisions under-age kids shouldn't be making in regards to their health - especially one as deadly serious as this - that's why they have parents.........
     
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    A judge has sentenced parents to jail b/c they refused to take their very sick child to the doc, instead all they did was pray over the child and the kid died......

    About a yr or so ago, a child died while mummy & daddy did nothing but pray. Wouldn't take the kid to the doc. They had several kids. The judge warned them not to do it again - well, they did. Another child got very sick, mummy & daddy did noting but pray, no doc of course - and their 2nd child died. These children died from curable illnesses. He sent them to the pen.

    The 17 yr old shouldn't have to 'die w/dignity' when she has 85% chance of survival thru chemo.... and there really are success stories out there of patients who are now cancer free...

    And those patients, like my daughter, will do what they call 'maintenance' for the rest of her life - blood work every yr to make sure it hasn't returned. No problem for her. She just doesn't go bike riding around the park w/her daughter and dog or camping or out having fun w/her friends or whatever she enjoys doing.... she just runs over to the clinic and gets her blood work done. And life goes on for her......beautiful!
     
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    I think the gov should only become involved if there is a 100% cure avail, Chemo is not 100% and may do more harm then good in some case, it may even kill you

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    Oh, I see. So a 98% chance of your loved one surviving isn't good enuf? It depends upon what type of cancer, what stage it's in, your health in general and even your age and the younger, the better......

    As we all know, there's no guarantees in life and btw, Fresh, if the chemo doesn't kill you, the cancer certainly will, so what do you have to lose by going for chemo and hope for the best?
     
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    chemo is often the difference between 75% with just surgery and 90% with chemo and surgery, but Chemo could kill you... Chemo could also cause cancer later in life

    so is that 15% increased survival rate worth the risks? that is a choice only you can make, the gov should not be making it for you....

    if a child dies in Chemo and you choose for them, are you to blame? if they die in Chemo, that 75% would be looking pretty good

    and then there is the permanent damage Chemo can cause to your body, do you want to do that to a child if you can help it?

    it's not a easy decision to make for oneself, let alone ones child and sadly no mater what choice you make, something could go wrong that would not of had you made a different choice

    now I admit some do not care what the odds are and just choose to pray rather then pay for a real chance at life, they are idiots and do not really care about their children

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