consent to insemination = consent to impregnation

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  1. FoxHastings

    FoxHastings Well-Known Member

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    It still isn't consent to BE pregnant nor is it consent to gestate....:)

    Consenting to sex still is NOT "consent" to be pregnant.

    It may be a RISK but it is NOT consent.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The pro-life argument argues that consent to get pregnant is effectively consent to be pregnant.
    Because if she wants to get un-pregnant, someone has to die.
     
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    And like so many things, like their name, the pro-"life" side has it wrong.




    Consent to sex is not consent to be pregnant



    That doesn't change the FACT that consent to one act is NOT consent to any other act.....whether a fetus dies or not has nothing to do with it.

    Having sex still isn't consent to BE pregnant nor is it consent to gestate....:)

    Consenting to sex still is NOT "consent" to be pregnant.

    It may be a RISK but it is NOT consent.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It is setting up the situation where you might have to kill your fetus to get out of a pregnancy.

    FoxHastings, think about it. A robber doesn't get to claim self-defense when he kills a security guard who was pulling out a gun on him.
    Why? Because the robber is the one who is to blame for setting up that situation, knowing what could likely happen.
     
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    SO WHAT ?

    Having sex does NOT mean a woman loses the right to her own body.

    Why would you think she does??



    Having sex still isn't consent to BE pregnant nor is it consent to gestate....:)


    AND consent to anything can be withdrawn at anytime....




    AND here's the entire post you HAD to cherry pick because you couldn't address the points as usual:

    And like so many things, like their name, the pro-"life" side has it wrong.

    Consent to sex is not consent to be pregnant




    That doesn't change the FACT that consent to one act is NOT consent to any other act.....whether a fetus dies or not has nothing to do with it.

    Having sex still isn't consent to BE pregnant nor is it consent to gestate....:)

    Consenting to sex still is NOT "consent" to be pregnant.

    It may be a RISK but it is NOT consent.
     
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  6. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Try enrolling in the armed forces or being an athlete on a high-level sports team.
     
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    FoxHastings Well-Known Member

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    YES, to both....you CAN withdraw consent....


    NOW Try to address this first ( instead of cherry picking out of fear)

    """""kazenatsu said:
    It is setting up the situation where you might have to kill your fetus to get out of a pregnancy.""""""



    SO WHAT ?

    Having sex does NOT mean a woman loses the right to her own body.

    Why would you think she does??



    Having sex still isn't consent to BE pregnant nor is it consent to gestate....:)


    AND consent to anything can be withdrawn at anytime....




    AND here's the entire post you HAD to cherry pick because you couldn't address the points as usual:


    And like so many things, like their name, the pro-"life" side has it wrong.

    Consent to sex is not consent to be pregnant




    That doesn't change the FACT that consent to one act is NOT consent to any other act.....whether a fetus dies or not has nothing to do with it.

    Having sex still isn't consent to BE pregnant nor is it consent to gestate....:)

    Consenting to sex still is NOT "consent" to be pregnant.

    It may be a RISK but it is NOT consent.
     
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  8. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Or for that matter, try being a brain surgeon and pulling out on your patient right in the middle of a six-hour surgery, when there are no other brain surgeons around.

    It is consent to risk.

    Not in the direct sense.

    Here, if it helps you visualize it, imagine it this way. What if, in the hypothetical, the woman knew that getting pregnant would automatically cause some fetus somewhere else to die?
     
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    :) you can't address my posts so you come up with another of your unreal weird scenarios.


    Look at it this way, if a woman becomes pregnant and doesn't want to be she can get an abortion :) Consent or no consent has nothing to do with it and affects her decision in NO way :)
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You don't like my scenarios because they get right to the heart of the issue.

    Sometimes a little fantasy can be less obscuring than reality.
     
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    Which is why her consent to get pregnant in the first place is not the tiniest bit irrelevant.
     
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    Only to those who can't face reality....which is if a woman becomes pregnant and doesn't want to be she can get an abortion :) Consent or no consent has nothing to do with it and affects her decision in NO way :)
     
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    You believe a woman should be able to kill for her sex life.
     
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    No woman can consent to get pregnant....here we go again.....

    if a woman becomes pregnant and doesn't want to be she can get an abortion :) Consent or no consent has nothing to do with it and affects her decision in NO way :)



    Now, can you prove that statement wrong or are you just going to continue dodging and dithering ?
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Oh yes she can. By having sex, by not properly taking the adequate birth control measures.
     
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    Where did I say that ? I didn't....it seems you are really buried in UNreality and fantasy...and verging on flamebait...
     
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    if a woman becomes pregnant and doesn't want to be she can get an abortion :) Consent or no consent has nothing to do with it and affects her decision in NO way :)


    NO one is obligated to use birth control.
     
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    So why should a woman be able to kill?
    She created a situation that led to a risk of pregnancy and now she wants to kill to get rid of that pregnancy.

    If it isn't for her sex life, what is it for then???

    Satanic sacrifices for some ritual? Pure evil and malevolence? Is someone offering to pay her to buy fetal body parts?
     
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    I wonder how many other pro-choicers will agree with that.
     
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    :roflol::roll::roflol::roflol::roflol: Maybe you should stick to movies and all that other fiction...it is in keeping with all your weird scenarios and total lack of reality and facts...

    Like your ""If it isn't for her sex life, what is it for then???""""


    What has her sex life got to do with abortion?

    Are you going to embarrass yourself once AGAIN by insisting pregnant women don't have sex ?

    :roflol::roflol::roflol::roflol:
     
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    That doesn't matter at all.....

    WHERE is the LAW that says women must use birth control ?

    SHOW IT !!!!!!...... WHERE IS IT?
     
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    Well of course, if a woman says impregnate me
     
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    And she can consent to having an abortion
     
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    She can, but the fetus can't.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Tell me, do you feel it would be any different if the woman intentionally chose to get pregnant? Like if she went to a fertility clinic to get pregnant and then somewhere down the line changed her mind.
     

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