Conservatism is the low road

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  1. 3link

    3link Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    One reason that conservatism is seeing a boom right now is because people instinctively want to pin the world's problems on specific people (e.g., Mooslims), and blaming the browns is what conservatives do best. It's so easy to play the blame game. This is why conservatism is the low road. Often times, it serves as a vehicle for closet bigots to channel their rage. These bigots hate blacks and mexicans. So it is convenient to be part of a political ideology that labels illegal alien mexicans as rapists and murderers, and blacks as people who vote democrat so they can get that government cheese. Conservatism basically legitimizes their bigotry.
     
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    Yes, but both sides engage in this. The left is scapegoating "fascists", who are nothing of the sort, so they can punch their opposition in the face and feel all righteous and virtuous about it.

    Everything is either the Russians or white supremacists. Don't have as many billions in public funding for graft science? Bloody white supremacist biblical bastards. People attending your opposition's speaking events? They're "fascists", now it's okay to punch them and burn down the campus.

    I really worry about the direction of the world right now. Those of us who are reasonable on either side and don't buy into this scapegoating BS need to group together and oppose the fringes who have taken over.
     
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    3link Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Calling out scapegoaters for scapegoating is not itself scapegoating.
     
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    The very fact that you frame this as low road vs high road demonstrates your politics are heavily influenced by the desire to virtue signal and seek some sense of validation from observers in a cliched "right side of history" narrative.

    People are getting tired of this nonsense. Self-interest and self-preservation do not consist of taking the low road, nor is it taking the high road, it's taking the road you want to be on, the road that is best for your nation and your community. The Left has stigmatized the instinct of self-preservation which is the most fundamental instinct in all living things. Not wanting increasing numbers of Muslims in your society isn't blaming all problems on Muslims it's simply a statement in favor of self-preservation for your civilization and your culture and a statement of the desire to not want to become a fractured society heavily influenced by Islam.
     
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    This phenomena has always been present. Why would this be a more prominent phenomena now than in the past is the relevant question.
     
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    On the issue of calling out people for what they've done, sometimes you've got to call an egg and egg. An egg is not a biscuit. :sunnysideup::toast:
     
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    It is when you act like they are der jude and need to be violently assaulted, and moreover that this is a righteous moral imperative and the solution to all your problems.

    The way BAMN and ANTIFA openly talk about using violent means to abridge their opposition's freedom of speech, you'd think that their opposition was openly talking about using violent means to abridge their freedom of speech.

    Let's be real, such a small proportion of the left and right, even people at these events, are anarchists or neo-Nazis. Both sides use these labels to justify the violence they had already decided on. Sooner or later it will result in a bloody civil war.
     
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    I don't think the problem is conservatism itself. Both conservative and liberals seems to had lower the level. I would always prefered a conservative able to argue to a hysterical liberal.
     
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    Self serving BS. The Mexians in question were the coyotes I think most illegal immigrants would agree that coyotes tend to be drug dealers and rapist.
     
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    To speak to the point tho, leftists definitely travel the path of least resistance.

    Leftists have the cooperation of the media, pop culture and academia, to coddle them and assure them that their opinions are correct.

    All the right has is common sense, which these days is rebellious.
     
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    In other words, conservatives are basically just contrarians. That is true to an extent. But I think most conservatism is just an excuse to be bigoted.
     
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    People think terrorism is on the rise. Just look how Le Pen's numbers went up after that terrorist attack in Paris last week.

    Le Pen has an easy job. All she has to say is "terrorists are going to attack somewhere sometime." That prediction will never be wrong.
     
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    Except I explained why conservatism is the low road. Because it is the easy road to walk. Conservatives see a terrorist attack and think "all Mooslims are responsible." They don't take the extra step of thinking critically. "Perhaps it is wrong to attribute the actions of a few bad apples to Mooslims in general." One reason they don't take this extra step is they prefer to live in hate. As I've said before, Conservatism is a channel for legitimizing bigotry. There are very few self-proclaimed racists these days. They've all become conservatives.
    I would say it another way. The left thinks that allowing Muslims into your society does not implicate self-preservation of your civilization. There is no threat that civilization will collapse because we are letting Mooslims in the country. I don't know what you mean by "culture" since the US is a melting pot of cultures. I think most leftists would agree that Muslims who come to this country should assimilate to the extent reasonable (i.e., as required by our laws). If you're like most conservatives, you perceive Mooslims as a threat to Christianity. That's simply a pathetic sentiment and you ought to be ashamed.
     
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    There have been a large number of high-profile Islamic terror attacks on Western cities in recent years, no?
     
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    No but we are being FLOODED with mooslim refugees. And one day they will become terrorists because they are mooslim. Are you seriously denying that most conservatives think this way?
     
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    This is quite the claim to make. To support Trump puts you at odds with the vast majority of people, and to risk being made a pariah in any metropolitan city. To be scorned and ridiculed by vast numbers of academics, business people, and media personalities.

    What about believing population groups are responsible for your ailments is particularly easier than believing it's the product of society, as the left tends to frame it?
     
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    I think that most conservatives are concerned with Muslim immigration because of the high rates of terrorism associated with them and their seeming lack of integration with the wider popular culture. Europe is certainly being literally flooded with Muslim immigrants and refugees, and American conservatives fear that the same could happen to the U.S. if we had open borders.
     
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    Vast majority of people? Funny how you guys are constantly reminding us who won the election until that fact is inconvenient.
    Thank you for pointing this out. I forgot to mention another reason conservatism is so popular. Conservatives love to play the victim.
    Because it is intellectually lazy. We are creatures of instinct, and our instincts say that when something bad happens, someone is responsible. The easiest targets among conservatives have traditionally been the brown folk.
     
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    Conservatives elected a man who openly bragged about grabbing women by the *****. Conservatives think that brown folk are to blame for our problems.
     
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    You really need to trim your brush.

    Remember, Blue Dog Dems. Voted Trump as well.

    Broad brushes only make the painter look loony.
     
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    Why are you grouping me in with "you guys"? I didn't vote for him.

    How many people need to get their careers destroyed by the media or beaten on a college campus for you to acknowledge the existence of hostile political environments in modern America?

    It may be intellectually weak- but that doesn't make it an easier belief to hold in society.
     
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    Is what you refer to similar to liberals blaming America's problems on white men? Or is that the high road to you?
     
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    Conservatives don't hate blacks and Mexicans. That's utter nonsense.
     
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    Where the hell do you find sources to back up this claim? Ann Coulter doesn't preach this nonsense. Do you think Stormfront represents conservative thought? :roflol:
     
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    And from the bigotry front.... From a Liberal Loon... Perhaps KING of the Liberal Loons...



    The Liberal Loon Military Wing Originator, defending/touting his Lunacy:




    Extremes of both Liberalism, & Conservatism are where the Loons nest.
     
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