Conservatives: do you support Equal Opportunity for all?

Very simple question for Conservatives:

do you believe that all citizens should have equal opportunity?

that means no discrimination in housing, employment, education..when it comes to race, sex, gender ID, sexuality, nationality, ethnicity, religion, age.

OR.....do you believe that private business owners (schools, hospitals, stores, housing developments, factories, corporations) should have the right to discriminate against ANYONE they like for ANY reason they like?

PLEASE ONLY CONSERVATIVES VOTE IN POLL

 

Silly poll. Equal Opportunity is the law.

 

not for sexual orientation.

its still legal, under Federal law, to discriminate in housing, employment, education and public accomodations due to sexual orientation.

 

No, its not. Take it to court.

 

Civil Rights Act doesn't mention sexual orientation

 

These options are conflated. Gays can create their own communities that discriminate against hetero couples. There are ageist communities that state you have to be over a certain age. There are locations that say you must have a certain income level to afford the house you want to build or buy. Gays, as I see this thread is about, have plenty of opportunity to do the exact same thing they are complaining about, its just like those who complain about Marvel not having enough LGBT representation, make your own comic books. Like conservatives being banned on FB or Twitter, make your own platform.

The OP isn't asking for equal opportunity, they are asking if we want government to mandate equal outcome.

 

Again, you conflated private with public entities. This poll is a sham and you really don't want equal opportunity.

 

100% false!!

I want equal opportunity for all Americans, regardless of race/sex/gender ID/sexuality/nationality/religion.

how well they do with their opportunity, is up to them

 

To a limited extent, but not necessarily absolute complete equality.

What you may not realize is there's a trade-off. Reaching complete "fairness" brings a big price.

Most everyone would be better off if things were not 100% completely fair.

That doesn't mean we can't take some small cost effective measures to help make things more fair.

 

I think different standards should apply for larger impersonal corporate businesses than for small businesses.

I don't think it's a good idea to take this idea to an extreme.

Right now businesses are facing liability to ridiculous lawsuits, as the courts and jury attempt to discover "intent" and "reasons".
You don't realize the costs of your stupid equality laws.

What the law attempts to do is one thing, what that law actually does when it comes to enforcement of the law in practice is something else.

It would be better for 4 people to be fired unfairly than for 1 business to have to face an unfair lawsuit that is going to cost them $200,000 in lawyer bills.

 

What does equal opportunity have to do with private business?

 

as white christian straight person, that's easy for you to say.

before 1968, it was legal to deny me an apartment, a job, an education, just cause I am a Jew. It was legal to deny me service at Burger King, cause I am a Jew.

and I am not cool with that

 

Walmart employees 1.4 million people. They are a private business.

letting them discriminate against blacks, Jews, Gays, is ok with you?

 

What year is it again?

 

In other words you think you are entitled to that specific apartment, job, education from a private school ?

There is a difference between what's "fair" and what you actually have the right to.

 

Yes.
If they did, they wouldn't have much of a business, and there'd be plenty of opportunity for new businesses in that market

 

No, I believe all Americans should have a fair shot to get that apartment, job or school slot.

You however seem to think America is the land of discrimination, not of opportunity.

 

Are you saying that if you decided to rent out a bedroom in your house, you'd have no say about who you moved into your house? Hard to believe you're willing to give the govt that much power over you.

 

did I say that?

really?

wow, talk about seeing **** that aint there

 

No, you didnt. But thats what you seem to expect from other private citizens. Can you answer the question?

 

America is not the "Land of Opportunity" if we allow private schools, businesses, employers, restaurants, stores, gas stations, apartment buildings etc...discriminate against whites, Jews, Muslims, Gays, Irish, Catholics, etc.

 

yes, you should have the right to reject applicants who are filthy, unemployed, use foul languuage, dont cut their nails, etc.

 

Even transgendered people?

 

Just cause I'm not a fan of Islam doesn't mean I should have the right to discriminate against Muslims.

 

Yes, suppose there was a transgender person who was filthy, used foul language, didn't cut their nails, and the employer didn't hire them.

That employer has also has posted a cruel joke that makes fun of transgender people on Twitter.

The transgender person sues under anti-discrimination laws. What do you think is going to happen?

No real evidence that the person was discriminated against due to being transgender, yet the employer is likely going to have to spend $100,000 on a lawyer, and may likely be coerced to hand over a $70,000 settlement, or risk some ridiculous compensation award from the court.

That's what these laws will do.

Meanwhile, it will just push even more jobs overseas as employers here are faced with ridiculous legal liability expenses.

The laws don't explicitly say it, but they end up effectively forcing employers to have a few token minorities around, just to help prove in court "they don't discriminate" if they are ever sued, and make the employer give unfair advantage to the protected class, for fear of a lawsuit. Basically it makes the employer have to affirmatively discriminate to avoid the risk of being accused of discrimination.