Conservatives, this is what poverty looks like.

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  1. Frank Grimes

    Frank Grimes New Member Past Donor

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    anyone? no not really. Grad students make about 11 bucks an hour and do just fine as long as they don't have kids
     
  2. FAW

    FAW Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The FMLA was not required. This was made clearly illegal by the Pregnancy Discrimination Act of 1978, which amended Title VII of the Civil Rights act of 1964. Beyond any shadow of a doubt, virtually any lawyer would have gleefully taken this case on contingency because it is a sure winner, if everything she has told you about it is true. Not only could she have gotten her back pay as well as her job back, but also a large sum in punitive damages. None of this would have cost her a dime.
     
  3. nom de plume

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    It's unfortunate that you do not have protected minority (special citizen) status.
     
  4. ShadowX

    ShadowX Well-Known Member

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    I'm going to have to call BS again. When were you born?

    A real job being a full-time job so that she could provide for your bills instead of expecting everybody else to do so because she didn't want to get her ass out there and work and take care of a disabled child. She was lazy and a mooch.

    My grandmother had three children, her husband beat her so she divorced him when the oldest child was 8 years old. That's 8,6,4. She knew she couldn't afford to care for her children with just one job and she didn't expect everybody else to make up for her bad situation. So instead of becoming a mooch, she put in MORE work and took two jobs. Every other minute was spent taking care of her children. Just because life is hard and you've ****ed up to the point where it makes life seem exceedingly difficult does NOT give you the right to become a parasite and live off of the productivity of others.

    Story #2. My GREAT grandparents... the parents of that grandmother I just told you about also had 3 children. All 3 girls. Brought them up until they were 13,15,16 respectively. My grandfather was a farmer his entire life and provided for those three children by himself. They made a mistake and had another kid and unfortunately this one had a problem with its umbilical cord and came out with Cerebral Palsy. The child couldn't walk, couldn't feed himself, couldn't even wipe his own ass and you could barely understand anything he said. Even to this day. He's going on 65 and they said he wouldn't make it to 30. Did my great grandparents expect the rest of society to provide for them and their crippled child? Hell no. He went out and got ANOTHER job working on the railroad lines for Norfolk-Southern. He provided for his wife and three children one of which was disabled. He built the kid a walker and a tricycle that could hold a disabled man. He put that disabled child through high school when they said he should have been put into what amounts today to be a home. My Uncle Reggie graduated from high school and even went on to get an associates degree at a secondary school. And NONE of them have ever taken government assistance or expected ANYBODY else to provide for them.

    So excuse me if your mom, refusing to get a full-time job so she could sit on her ass for 8 hours a day while you were at school and collect a welfare check from the rest of society doesn't move me to tears.

    And medicare wouldn't have been necessary if your mom had gotten a full-time job and used some of the child support to help pay for insurance. But noooooo she decided she didn't want to have to bust her ass with a job AND a disabled kid... she wanted somebody else to do that for her.

    People like that make me ****ing sick. They **** up and spread their legs or unzip their fly and make a baby and then EVERYBODY else has to make up for their dumbass mistake and to make it EVEN WORSE... they then attempt to leverage the kid as an emotional plea to why they should become ****ing parasites and the rest of us should work and bust our ass (nevermind all of our problems) to provide for them.
     
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    ShadowX Well-Known Member

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    exactly what I was going to point out in my post... just wish ya didn't use the date so I could call him on his bs lol
     
  6. mikezila

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    does that chart account for half of our debt being the right pocket owing the left pocket for the "trust funds" our government set up to fund the roads and SS?...and blew on buying votes.

    the debt and interest isn't as bad as it looks, but it's worse when you consider that they have to borrow even more to meet those obligations.
     
  7. Str8Edge

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    Nope. YOU insulted her by insinuating she sandbagged to stay on welfare.


    You really set me straight when I posted "It all depends on the state" :roflol: Here's a NEWFLASH! When you get a BSN? You study things like Medicare and Medicaid benefits......

    So she was getting child support too??????


    Why would the system have shut down because we have a bunch of cheats on it? :confusion: You think people on SSDI ever actually covered their benefits to begin with? HIGHLY unlikely. They're mostly a drag on the system like welfare in general.


    NO, she taught you how to use and abuse the system and it looks like you've learned the lessons well.


    Sounds like she put herself in the cycle of welfare dependency by sandbagging the system in order to receive benefits.

    THAT is the trap we refer to when we say welfare breeds dependency DUH.
     
  8. ShadowX

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    I just wanted to quote that for a little more emphasis.
     
  9. Str8Edge

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    The OP won't get it as he's already admitted he was attempting to "lead by the chin" on the matter, KNOWING that I would post on the subject. We refer to that as "trolling" by any other definition.

    But like anything else in life, you better hope you can handle what you fish for, because there's nothing more embarrassing than getting eaten by your catch.
     
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    So you assume that interest doesn't include interest on insane military spending on wars and stuff?
     
  11. PTPLauthor

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  12. Str8Edge

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    Your done dude. You attempted to "lead by the chin" in a ridiculous attempt to justify why people don't need to reach their potential and simply mooch off the system.

    As a result, you got "knocked out" and are flailing away trying to save face any way you can.

    Hopefully, you learned a lesson but I doubt it since you're too busy in damage mitigation mode. :roflol:
     
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    Well, why should we pay them?
     
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  15. FAW

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    No I do NOT think that a multinational corporation has the ability to so blatantly flout the law. The one potential flaw in my argument would have been that the law only applies to companies under 15 employees, but now that I know it is a multi national corporation, that loophole is out of the equation. Do you not think that the best lawyers in the business would be clamoring to take such an open and shut case on contingency? Regardless of how long the litigation may have taken, there is absolutely zero reason to not embark on such a just and profitable endeavor. All of your medical expenses would have been reimbursed PLUS punitive damages. I have no doubt the story you told is what your mother told you, by the same token there must be more to that story as to why she lost her job. If it was as you describe, I cant possibly think of a more careless act by the mother of a child with special needs, than NOT pursuing what is justly her rights in the form of civil litigation that would right the wrongs of the purported heinous actions by her employer, and in one fell swoop take her family out of the clutches of poverty. According to you, she didn't even try. That makes no sense.
     
  16. PTPLauthor

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    SSDI seems to suck, but when you're barely making ends meet, having disability insurance rapidly gets lumped into the "luxury" category. Same thing would have happened with me and BadgerCare working at Walmart, would have been a luxury my money wouldn't have covered.

    The whole system sucks when the so-called "safety nets" have holes so big that people fall through them. I've heard of people who legitimately need the programs having no choice but on their third application somewhat acting worse than their disability really is. When they go back in two years for their re-certification, which is with a doctor, I've heard of people being asked two questions and then the doctor saying something like "you were denied three times?????" with a level of incredulity that would only be matched by the person saying they rode there on a unicorn and then the doctor looking out in the parking lot and seeing one tied to a lamppost. The problem is, a lot of the disability determinations are made by people with little actual training in the medical field, and instead are made by bureaucrats with a medical doctor only reviewing selected cases.

    Your entire argument is predicated on a law that was not in effect at the time as far as I can tell. We're talking regulations from over two decades ago, before HIPPAA and FMLA. You also are forgetting that there was nothing stopping the health insurance company from refusing to cover me.

    I'd like to point out that my mother never took welfare in her name until a few years ago after I moved out and even then it was a miniscule amount from one program that provided so little that it was not worth the hoops. Every dime from my SSI and child support went to pay for household bills and to maintain the car in a condition that it could make a trip to Milwaukee and back. My mother went to the doctor three times that I know of when I was a child one of which was on an emergency basis where I learned only a few years ago she came within hours of death, yet had dealt with it for a week before, but could not afford a doctor visit. She sacrificed her own health, her own well being, and her own future so that I could have a chance at all three.

    Everyone on here that I have replied to slamming her seems to have no concept of what motherhood is actually like. I, of course, don't know what it is like either, but I know at least what my own mother went through and the dedication she showed so that I could be the best person I could be. For close to three decades she has not had a life of her own. and it is likely that by the time she can reclaim her life, her body will have finally started breaking down. My mother went from helping me to immediately helping my grandmother largely without any assistance from my aunts and uncles.

    So if you wonder where my caring and empathy for people comes from, it's from my mother, who has given more than some of the people on this thread are even capable of comprehending. I'm not looking for sympathy, I know there are people that are a lot worse off than my mother and myself, but for the fact we lived in Wisconsin, we would have likely BEEN worse off. So call me a bleeding heart, but my heart does not bleed for myself, it bleeds for others who are worse off than myself and who have less of a chance.
     
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    What about mandated disability coverage instead of a portion of social security going towards it? Surely your friend would be better off if they complied with that kind of policy.
     
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    Mandated disability coverage would be great, the problem of bureaucrats not understanding medicine doing the disability determination would still persist though.

    I, for one, had an administrative law judge who probably didn't have a medical degree tell me I wasn't disabled because I wasn't on pain meds 24/7 despite the fact that I used crutches to walk, which qualified me directly under the regulations. He used some legalese mumbo-jumbo to dismiss that. Of course, I was not represented in court because I was told by both legal aid and a private disability attorney that I wasn't a "winnable" case. The SSA office actually pushed through a new claim, got me presumptive benefits based on the fact that my previous case HAD been approved, and then expedited it. Made my day to realize that there actually are some people in the SSA that have hearts.
     
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    Admin law judges are notoriously biased. In front of a jury suing your insurer, or in front of an impartial judge is better. Admin lawyers often come through or have an association with the agency, and are therefore biased by their experience. They often think they know better then doctors etc..

    The rank and file of most government branches are good people. Their hierarchy structure is rigid and slow to respond.
     
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    My entire argument is predicated on the Pregnancy Discrimination Act of 1978, and I know that you were born in the 80s, so it was clearly in effect.

    http://www.eeoc.gov/laws/statutes/pregnancy.cfm

    As far as the rest of what you wrote......I haven't made comment on that one way or the other. I recognize she was in a bad spot, and that social safety nets are correctly designed for people in similar situations. On the other side of the coin, I do have anecdotal experiences with several relatives that have gamed the system their entire lives that also used the social safety net for nefarious reasons. While you insist that others recognize that some people truly need it and are deserving, you also need to recognize that a whole lot use it that aren't deserving. Differentiating between the two is a fine line.
     
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    That's easy to get around then. All they have to do is claim that the firing was because of the disability of the child which would have lasted beyond the pregnancy and thus was independent of the pregnancy. As I said, they would have lost in a jury trial, but they would have dragged it out for years.

    The rest of the post wasn't directed at you by the way. I added it onto the post to prevent a double-posting. I'm a "postwhore" but I don't like doing two consecutive posts

    Yeah, this guy definitely gave me that vibe, I guess he forgot his garment was a black robe, not a white lab coat. Some on here talk about judges being dictators in black robes, judges thinking they're doctors do more damage.
     
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    ^this, times 16 rounds.
     
  24. FAW

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    Im not going to pretend to know the exact legal argument that would be used. You cannot fire a pregnant woman for being pregnant with a special needs child, no matter what excuse one uses. You cant just summarily declare that "she would have lost". That is a contingency case, and there would be zero reason to not pursue that. CLEARLY the jury is going to tend to side with the mother with a special needs child versus the big bad multi national corporation. You cannot credibly deny this.
     
  25. johnmayo

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    You know what I would like to see? Somewhat off topic, but a review site for insurers. Wouldn't you like to be able to tell their track record from something a little better then BBB?
    I guess they have sites, but I would like to see data compilation. Pays out on X percent of claims etc.. Truth in advertising stuff. I get tons of pages of boiler plate nonsense thanks to regs and very little useful information.
     

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