Conservatives Warming Up to Minimum Wage Hikes; Leftists Cooling

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  1. Distraff

    Distraff Well-Known Member

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    You are going to have to say something more substantial and policy specific than "allow individualism to flourish."
     
  2. dairyair

    dairyair Well-Known Member

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    Not sure where you get your info from to form your opinions, but they are way way out there.
     
  3. danielpalos

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    lol. Only right wingers who Only understand deficit spending.

    A higher minimum wage means more qualified labor not less qualified labor.

    And, higher paid labor pays more in taxes and creates more in demand.

    A statutory wage is not a market based wage and will not act like one, right wingers. So, keep bringing up your canard regarding unemployment.
     
  4. BleedingHeadKen

    BleedingHeadKen Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Alright Mr. Former Profession of Microeconomics, how do you defend the statement that remittances "hurt" the economy?

    I have to wonder how someone is frightened of people who are willing to work, as if they are evil because they don't accept your big government morals. Is it that they are willing to work without a government permission slip? Is it that they are brown, which makes them look dirty? Is it that you believe it's immoral to violate a statute, thus proving yet again that conservatives appear to get their morals from the state?
     
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  5. Reiver

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    Does the idea confuse you? Post Hayekian market socialism, for example, highlights the importance of genuine economic choice. It therefore refers to a one off payment (worth the same as the total education investment to derive a PhD), enabling self employment opportunities.
     
  6. 61falcon

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    What happens to those retiring when the market gets cut in half as it did in 2008??And what happens if we have a slow very gradual recovery??A LOT OF VERY HUNGRY DISPOSSESED SENIOR CITIZENS!!
     
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    One trucking firm offering $70,000 salary cannot attract ANY applicants.If we just created 233,000 jobs last month why did the unemployment rate go up two percentage points??Were more laid off than were hired??
     
  8. rockyreagan

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    No one with any right to the label of "conservative" believes in a minimum wage, or any other economic boondoggle of the kind. The only real minimum wage is zero, anything else is little more then market intervention and welfare.
     
  9. Lil Mike

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    ?

    Kazenatsu gave you an answer, an oversupply of low wage, unskilled labor. There is less incentive to invest in high capital requiring automation when you have plenty of disposable labor.
     
  10. Lil Mike

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    I've seen this argument before from some members of the right. I suspect it's genesis is virtue signalling so they don't look like mean Simon LaGree's to their Democratic friends. Because otherwise it just doesn't make sense. Illegals who don't have fraudulent documents to work legitimate jobs work for cash under the table. The higher the minimum wage is, the more attractive those workers are. Higher minimum wage=more illegal workers.
     
  11. yabberefugee

    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    We need to eliminate illegal aliens so it is a level playing field for all workers and businesses. Minimum wage, however is a complete loser. If $15 /HR. is good, wouldn't $30 be twice as good? Artificially supperceding the market demand for labor is wrong.
     
  12. Reiver

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    No he didn't. He made a flippant answer as he tries to disguise his fascist approach.

    The low skilled equilibrium has nothing to do with supply side issue. It's the outcome of neoliberalism, with market fundamentalism and anti-unionism ensuring structural deficiency in the economy.
     
  13. Lil Mike

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    His "flippant" answer seemed clear enough to me. Sorry if you don't understand the issue.
     
  14. Reiver

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    Sorry that you agree with fascist 'humour' and ignore the research into low skilled equilibria
     
  15. Lil Mike

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    You've supplied no such research.
     
  16. Reiver

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    Referred directly to it. I'm at fault because you don't know any of it and prefer fascist humour? Shucks
     
  17. Lil Mike

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    I went back and checked, so no you didn't. I don't know why you would make such a false statement that is so easily checked. Nor do I have any idea what "fascist" has to do with the topic. Please stop using words that you clearly don't understand.
     
  18. Reiver

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    Again, you only show yourself up. The fellow you are defending is a far right winger. That the low skilled equilibrium is understood as a demand-side phenomenon is also a matter of fact.

    But hey, if you want to celebrate fascist humour then that's your lot!
     
  19. Lil Mike

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    "fascist humour"
     
  20. Reiver

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    What else is it? It was a nonsensical comment made by an extreme right winger. Catch up!
     
  21. Lil Mike

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    There doesn't seem to be anything to catch up to.
     
  22. Reiver

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    I can appreciate that. Once you've celebrated fascist humour, where can you go?
     
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    Um, if you raise the minimum wage, it's still the lowest wage. I'm not sure how illegals who would be making more money stealing entry level jobs would be put off by that.
     
  24. Reiver

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    Why isn't your first thought "why aren't people paid according to their worth?"?
     
  25. vman12

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    Oh they already are. It's just leftists think they're worth more than they actually are.
     

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