conspiracy theories and far-fetched claims are "election fraud"

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  1. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Apparently conspiracy theories and far-fetched claims can fall into the category of criminal "election fraud".

    In Michigan, Jacob Wohl and Jack Burkman used robocalls targeting people telling them that mail-in ballot information could be "used by police departments to track down old warrants" and "used by credit card companies to collect outstanding debts."
    The recorded message also said the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention would use information on ballots to identify individuals for mandatory vaccinations.

    The calls were made in August 2020 to 12,000 residents with the area code 313, specifically targeting urban areas in the Detroit area.

    "This effort specifically targeted minority voters in an attempt to deter them from voting in the November election. We're all well aware of the frustrations caused by the millions of nuisance robocalls flooding our cell phones and landlines each day, but this particular message poses grave consequences for our democracy and the principles upon which it was built, Michigan voters are entitled to a full, free and fair election in November and my office will not hesitate to pursue those who jeopardize that," according to the prosecutor.

    Michigan Attorney General Dana Nessel filed multiple charges against the two men; one count of election law - intimidating voters (a 5-year felony), one count of conspiracy to commit an election law violation (a 5-year felony), one count of using a computer to commit the crime of election law - intimidating voters (a 7-year felony), and using a computer to commit the crime of conspiracy (a 7-year felony).​

    Washington Examiner, "Michigan charges right-wing conspiracy theorists with multiple felonies in robocall voter suppression scheme", article by Anthony Leonardi

    Looks like the prosecutor is throwing lots of charges at them to try to force them into a plea bargain. Get them to plea guilty. Because these defendants have a case that what they did was not actually illegal.

    It seems to me what they said in the message was technically not necessarily completely untrue, although it is a big stretch and extremely far-fetched.
    Sounds more like the stuff of conspiracy theories.

    But these two men were arrested for the message, which the prosecutor deems to be be false, and "voter intimidation", and "illegal".

    I think we could agree it was kind of misleading, and designed to play on ignorant people's fears.
    But should it be illegal?
    It seems like a huge stretch to try to interpret the law for this to be illegal.

    It goes to show how a court can take a law and interpret it in such a way as to make something else illegal in a way that was not obvious.
     
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    voter suppression attempts are felonies, they face up to 24 years in prison

    "Republican Operatives Jacob Wohl And Jack Burkman Charged With Felonies In Voter Suppression Scheme"

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemima...ies-in-voter-suppression-scheme/#56fcf9c28289

    "Notorious GOP operatives Jacob Wohl and Jack Burkman, known for their roles in a slew of outrageous political schemes, were each charged with four felonies on Thursday by Michigan’s attorney general for allegedly orchestrating a large-scale robocall campaign aimed at suppressing the minority vote ahead of the 2020 election.'
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Are you sure you're not mistaken about that?
     
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    they already been charged and facing over 20 years in prison

    republican politicians do get away with it seems
     
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    I don't see the connection with conspiracy theories.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The things in those messages were similar to the types of things in conspiracy theories.

    So the implication is if these people can be punished due to telling people things that are questionably true, then those who perpetuate conspiracy theories are not safe as well. It sets a concerning type of legal precedent.
     
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