(cont) Holocaust Memorial.......

Comparisons within where the conversation had morfed into.

 

Dachau is not said to have been an extermination Camp. Officially it is not counted as an extermination Camp.

Not even in todays high powered Crematoria can a body be cremated in less than an hour ...that is nonsense. Especialy since it would make no difference to the time it would take anyway. In one muffel 1 body takes an hour to cremate, in one muffel 2 bodies takes two hours to cremate. in one muffel 3 bodies take three hours to cremate, in one muffel 4 bodies take four hours to cremate. That is a fact of life, even today ..........

There are so many photos of the Crematoria of Auschwitz not even two bodies could fit into one muffel .it has been measured over and over and over .not possible, they were ordinary Cremetoria, for odinary useage for a constance population of 20,000 or so and many many more in transit, going in and out of the Camp/Industrial Complex.

 

By that analysis Hitler wasn't a true German.

 

Even if that is so, it is up to the state to offer them options and integrate them. only that way do we as a society benefit.

 

And you would be technically correct - he was Austrian born.

That said, v similar culture between the two, and, of course, the geography.

Like Scotland and England.

 

And you would be technically correct - he was Austrian born.

That said, v similar culture between the two, and, of course, the geography.

Like Scotland and England.

 

Well, that is perhaps fair enough, in theory.

How does it work, in practice?

Were you aware, for instance, of that move to have their kids sent to a boarding school, in Slovenia?

Is that the kind of thing that you have in mind, if so, the idea may have merits.

Good luck getting it passed the EU crowd, and the various human rights groups!

 

I love you fella.

You have a fine way of understating things.

Which 'usual suspects' are apologists for the butchering, murdering, raping, Red Army, btw?

I would be curious to know who you meant by that.

 

So ?

''I will add at this point that the Germans never had a "master race" doctrine to begin with. Herrenvolk does not mean "master race." That definition was the result of a combination of Allied misunderstanding of the German Führerprinzip and anti-German war propaganda. It meant 'elite leadership corps', and that was strictly in reference to continental Europe, not the world. Hitler did not have world aims, but European ones. Further, the German terms folk (Volk) and race (Rasse) were not synonymous. Herrenvolk ("Volk of leaders") was not akin to Herrenrasse, and as a matter of fact, the Nazis never used the term Herrenrasse ("race of leaders"). Indeed, Hitler himself differentiated the two German terms at Platterhof. He said, "Volk und Rasse ist nicht dasselbe." ("Folk and race are not the same.") It appears that historians influenced by wartime Allied propaganda, and not the Nazis themselves, invented this term and its subsequent racist connotation. This explains why so many Western Allied leaders were shocked to see Russians fighting for Nazis on the Western Front, Indo-Chinese in the Ostlegionen (Eastern legions), and why historians have been loath to describe such Nazi racial dynamics even unto the present day.''

http://rense.com/general88/divers.htm

''Harry Truman, not Adolf Hitler, said the following: "I think one man is as good as another so long as he's honest and decent and not a (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*) or a Chinaman. Uncle Will...says that the Lord made a white man out of dust, a (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*) from mud, then threw up what was left and it came down a Chinaman."

 

They don't usually want to integrate, why should they ? That the World is loosing its Nomads both human and animal is unutterably sad.

 

Well, to be fair, you cannot keep chucking £200 mill a year at them, just so they can live a life of being on the periphery of crime, refusing to get educated, and so on.

I mean, okay then, if that is the case, I am going to set up a community, in which it is my right to sit with a a bevy of beauties, and drink beer all day.

I will refuse to send any kids from the community to get a basic education.

Can I have £200million?

 

Speaking only of British Romanis, they do not, they are often very very successful businessmen.

Of Europe , it has become a problem since the borders were opened, it is their problem , they know it better than most of us do. It is theirs to solve but they are just knee jerking, as usual, on both sides. There are educated Romanis with more intelligent views and understanding of their problems and better solutions too them ..................

As usual the only voices we hear are the extreem ones ...... Romani are distrusted and feared in their old stamping grounds of Bulgaria and Romania. They do not have loyalty to any other but their own .............But they survived the Communist years .How ? We need to understand how before we can think about how they might fit into the World as it is now and keep their dignity.

Whose World is it anyway ? We have through Corperate lost so much individuality, I think we should be careful of all that is still characterful and why should they open up to us or take on our ways, which don't work well for many of us anyway ? why should we need to understand them ? I don't know the answer but then that is why by ideal i am an anachist, let things find their own level. If all in the situaltion truly cared all would find a way of living peacfully next to one another.


And monopoly money is not a pratical answer but it seems to be the only one they talk about or put on the table now a days .........200mil monopoly money ..................How to devalue all that there is bring it down to the level of worthlessness.

 

Well, I have never known of any true Romany, in Britian, and certainly not here in Scotland.

Not saying that there aren't, just that I have never known of them.

I do know that various parts of England have had issues with 'travellers', who are probably more of Irish origin.

The issues mainly being that they rock up on a bit of land, treat it like crap, then the public purse is used to restore it again.

And there are those who object to house breakings etc, when they are around.

Remember that case from a few years ago, when a couple of them broke into that old guy's house, and he shot one of them?

How did you feel about that, because if I were his age, and woke to find two people in my house, and the police have previously proved useless, I would want to protect myself, as well.

 

Only Pikeys break into houses ?!

Yes there are issues with different travellers ....There are Romani here, they try to stay in one place on their own land. Many live in houses now.

later ...... These problems are never easy, non of us is perfect, but when no refuse collections take place in any street or community, what do you supose would happen to the rubbish ? Councils refuse to collect rubbish from traveller encampments and often travellers are turned away from dumps ....it ain't always what it seems.

 

I didn't say only 'Pikey's' break into houses, of course not.

I was citing one example, in the context of the theme.

I get my rubbish taken away. I pay council tax.

Do those that rock up on land, and make it mess, do they pay council tax?

Or any tax?

 

If they were allowed to pay council taxes they would then have to be allowed to stay on the land ?

It isn't so simple Jack

 

What do you mean 'allowed'?

Are you saying they do not qualify to pay them, or that they really want to, and have been told 'No, it's okay, Jack wil pay your share'..

 

lmfao one only needs to peruse the Nuremberg Laws to prove this one complete and utter horse(*)(*)(*)(*).

 

If you are on land that the Council want you off, no matter that the owner of the Land is happy for you to be there. The Council will not want to take Council Tax because that would qualify as a right to stay.

Oh there are some very very Rich Romanis who have thrown a lot of money at their plight ............they cannot win no matter how much money they have, laws are broken and changed just to make sure.

 

Mmmm yer Nuremberg was Justice eh ? A travesty of ....................

 

I ain't no dude and you are just spewing out the same old discreaditied lies ...............

 

If you actually feel that way, then I'm not sure why you bother with discussing anything of a moral nature. If we're all in the same boat, then I don't suppose morals really matter.

 

Hi AF, do you have any cases you can cite?

 

Guys, I am quite interested in this Romany thing, and hope to learn more about it.

We have done the Jew thing.

And we can do the Jew thing again.

Can this be about Romany?

 

This might help

http://dalefarm.wordpress.com/

I haven't any links saved on this computer. The actual Roma sites are private, people have to log in. There are some 'Gypsy'/Travellers news papers on line though for all travellers.

Look up Romanis in Scotland too, it is interesting ....... Happy hunting