Cop Who Killed Ashli Babbitt Never Interviewed By Investigators, Now Back In Charge Of House Securit

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  1. Noone

    Noone Well-Known Member

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    Who, link a democrat "who misrepresent simple looting, mugging and vandalism as somehow a noble "struggle for racial justice"?
     
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    Certainly you've heard of John Lewis' praise for rioting, looting, arson and destruction as "good trouble".

    Countless Democratic SJWs have tried to justify their simple vandalism as "good trouble"



    "John Lewis: Good Trouble"
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Lewis:_Good_Trouble
     
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    Your proof is a movie?
     
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    WalterSobchak Well-Known Member

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    Thank you for proving my post to be true. You failed to read a word of the indictments. If you have read them, you would have learned that a group of your "patriots" were laying in wait with weapons once the traitors were in a position to receive them.

    Yeah, just protestors huh?
     
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    I think when John Lewis spoke about “good trouble”, and he DID speak about it, he was talking about peaceful protest and civil disobedience. He routinely condemned violence and looting.

    I admired him, I think he was a good man with strong morals. But, damn, he sometimes irritated the hell out of me.
     
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    No, politician John Lewis coined the phrase "good trouble" which many SJWs have appropriated as justification for any criminal activity they feel is called for.

    For example, VA State Sen. Louise Lucas' felonious participation in vandalism was excused as "good trouble"(1)

    I suppose that the masterminds behind 9/11 felt justified, too, in that their actions were in their own minds "good trouble"



    (1) "Virginia state senator, other officials charged with felonies for June incident at Confederate monument"
    https://www.brproud.com/news/virgin...es-for-june-incident-at-confederate-monument/
    EXCERPT
    "Former Virginia Gov. Terry McAuliffe also tweeted a response.

    “Louise Lucas is a trailblazing public servant who isn’t afraid to do and say what she believes is right. Her opposition to a racist monument is the definition of what John Lewis called ‘good trouble.’ I stand with my good friend.” CONTINUED

     
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    I don't see any quotes from Lewis in those links. Although, I only looked at 1st link and found nothing, so no bother going to another for same result.
    And quotes will need context.

    When were those quotes made? Under what circumstances? And what reference/context again?
     
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    Yes an expert opinion like the others I have posted and you have posted nothing to refute. Babbitt was not armed and the only people I know of who were were police officers. Byrd was not overwhelmed and her coming through that window would not have overwhelmed him there were a dozen officers on the otherside of that door and as noted in the article he was behind stacked furniture and a door. A 40 caliber bullet could have gone through that door.

    Again let's see ALL the reports and interviews and force him to give a statement as he is required to do as a law enforcement officer using lethal force against a citizen.
     
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    Amazing how you have to make fallacious claims and me "bending over" when I have stated quite clearly prosecute those who committed crimes FOR THE CRIMES THEY COMMITTED. Amazing how you now have to try an divert the subject of the discussion since you can seem to win on the merits here.

    Why weren't anyone of those who were actually assaulting the police shot and killed? Why didn't any other officer use lethal force against the protesters that day?
     
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    He was hidden from her sight and ready to ambush her.... he was fully cocked and ready...anticipating the shot for several seconds ......pictures say a thousand words..... no other cop would have gotten away with this shooting....

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    You might want to read former US Attorney and the last US Attorney to successfully prosecute a charge of sedition's column here and he will explain it to you why there was no sedition even for the 11 people who have been charge with a conspiracy to engage in one.

    Seditious Conspiracy Is the Wrong Charge in the Capitol-Riot Prosecutions

    Two elements are indispensable to the crime of seditious conspiracy. First, there must be an agreement to use force, as opposed to protesting peacefully — even if rambunctiously. Second is the concept of levying war against the United States or opposing the lawful authority of the United States. Now that the Justice Department has been goaded into charging members of the Oath Keepers with seditious conspiracy for their participation in the Capitol riot, prosecutors may find that these elements pose insuperable challenges to their case....

    ....Seditious conspiracy is the rare criminal offense in which motive matters. In most crimes, prosecutors need establish only knowledge and intent — meaning, the defendant did not act by mistake. If you embezzle funds from a federal agency, for example, it makes no difference that you needed money to feed your starving family; you knew the funds were not yours, and you stole them on purpose, case closed.

    Why the accused acted is, however, a core question in seditious-conspiracy prosecutions. It must be proved that force was directed at government facilities and agents because they instantiated the government’s execution of its lawful authority. Or it must be shown that the defendant was trying to wage war against the American people: The purpose of attacking civilian infrastructure, for example, must be to coerce the United States into surrendering, changing policy, or taking some other national action. To the contrary, while blowing up a building in order to collect on the insurance is a heinous act, and one who does it should face a severe sentence, it’s not seditious conspiracy....

    ...My point is to show that seditious conspiracy is rarely invoked to achieve that worthy end because it is reserved for highly unusual situations involving unambiguous enemies of the United States. The January 6 scenario is not cut and dried that way. It’s complicated. It involves people who committed serious crimes but believed — however foolishly — that they were saving the country, not levying war against it. Far from opposing the lawful authority of the government, they believed — not irrationally — that they were acting at the behest of the president of the United States....

    ....To be clear, that does not mean these people are immune from prosecution. It simply means that seditious conspiracy is the wrong way to go about it. Obstructing a congressional proceeding, for example, carries a potential 20-year prison term. Assaulting a federal officer is punishable by up to 20 years’ imprisonment if a dangerous weapon is used (and up to eight years if there is physical contact with the victim, even if a dangerous weapon is not used). Damaging government property is punishable by up to 20 years if the destructive act placed lives in jeopardy, which the Capitol riot clearly did (and up to five years if it did not)...
    https://www.nationalreview.com/2022...rong-charge-in-the-capitol-riot-prosecutions/

    The Democrats led by Biden and Pelosi and Schumer have been trying to claim it was first an attempted overthrow of the government, then an insurrection, and then when those did not pan out sedition. The MSM has been calling for such charges but none appeared. Finally under pressure AG Garland gave his atrocious speech last week and having to come up with something engaged in this political act.
     
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    The DC Metro did the criminal investigation as is the case in police shootings where departments don't investigate themselves. And the officer who used the lethal force refused to cooperated and give a statement and he was allowed to not do so not even having to invoke the 5th. And they are refusing to release the records of the investigation and all the video footage that was recorded. A classic white wash.

    If he was interviewed then release the interview, this was a HOMICIDE the public has a right to those records and the complete investigation into that HOMICIDE.
     
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    Yep that proves he was not in imminent danger if she came through that window. And note the question I have posed to those defending the officer that if she had come through the window stood with her arms to her side, he empty hands, would he have been justified in killing her just standing there. Crickets.
     
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    From my previous cites

    "Asked about it, a D.C. MPD spokeswoman confirmed that Byrd did not cooperate with internal affairs agents or FBI agents, who jointly investigated what was one of the most high-profile officer-involved shooting cases in U.S. history.

    “MPD did not formally interview Lt. Byrd,” deputy D.C. MPD communications director Kristen Metzger said. And, “He didn’t give a statement while under the U.S. Attorney’s Office investigation.”"
     
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    They should have. I agree these officers should be charged with dereliction of duty.
     
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    it was not just her coming through the window that was the issue, it was the violent mob she was with that also would of came through

    that one shot, did the job, all the rest of the mob backed off and woke up a little
     
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    Your "provided" experts have ALL demonstrated extreme bias. I have refuted every worth point you've made, but you keep changing your argument rather than to respond. Ashli Babbitt AbsaByGodLutely was armed with military training AND a mob that has and, at the time, was demonstrating their propensity and abilities to destroy ... AND a willingness to carry out threats of murder.

    I do not see "a dozen other officers in the Speakers Lobby" (can you provide such a picture?), there is one shot (I've seen) that "MAY" show one other officer. I have no doubt that in the course of THREE investigations Lt. Byrd made an oral and written statement. That they didn't meat the "FORMAL" standard of the very biased Federalist is hardly a surprise.

    The simple fact of the matter is the investigation is OVER, Lt. Byrd has been exonerated and that seems to be the end of it. You can run around with your hair on fire and hold your breath until you pass out; but that's the truth. "Sorry Charlie".
     
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    It could be for the very simple reason that, with the size of the mob, they never had a clean shot.

    Personally, I think they should have broke out their full compliment of weapons and sprayed the sky with thousands of rounds of 5.56 at the first sign of violence. I'll bet the complexion of the crowd would have changed dramatically.

    They should have plenty of magazines full of blanks for just such an occasion; they probably do now.
     
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    Watch the video footage, prior to her breaching the door there were many shout's of "GUN" and Lt. Byrd has said he yelled a warning before taking his shot.
     
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    Yes, he would be justified in taking her down if she were to make it through the broken glass she climbed through.

    How is this difficult for those of you who support these traitors to follow?
     
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    Watch the video footage yourself...He was hidden from her sight and ready to ambush her...there is no way she seen him stuck back in there.. there were plenty of "guns" so that don't mean squat... and byrd said a lot of things about it
    A real complete full investigation would show the Capitol security camera from his side of the door and how he was ambushing her.... transparency my foot, this is a coverup... she was shot while being unarmed and defenseless... non-lethal weapons could have been used.. she probably had no idea where her killer was before he shot her...
    Who gave the order to use lethal force?
     
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    Perhaps Babbitt shouldn't have decided to jump through the broken glass to get into the chambers where congress folks her and her fellow dipshits were yelling threats to.

    Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Too bad for her family she fell into a cult and thought it was a good idea to threaten other people's lives and jump through a broken door.
     
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    If security forces were adequate and the guard present she would not be there.
     
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    He was not "hidden" he had taken cover because of the violence of the mob and the threats they were yelling. There were MANY warnings of a GUN, from her side of the doors BEFORE she jumped through the window. There have been 3 "real, complete, full investigations, ALL have exonerated Lt. Byrd.

    Ashli Babbitt "gave the order for lethal force" when she shouted death threats to Congress and attempted to make good on them by jumping through that window. She literally signed her own death warrant.
     
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    He was hidden from her sight and ambushed her. She was not even completely through the window.......
     
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