Corona Virus Update

Discussion in 'Coronavirus (COVID-19) News' started by HereWeGoAgain, Mar 12, 2020.

  1. crank

    crank Well-Known Member

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    Yes, their travel habits played a large part. But it's also because the densely populated parts of our largest cities are primarily inhabited by the wealthy. The poor can't live anywhere near the cities, it's far too expensive. And of course, the poor don't travel.
     
  2. LangleyMan

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    I wasn't thinking of Trump. He takes way too many chances. Rich people will keep their distance.

    What happens if both Trump and Pence get sick? Boris Johnson damn near died and he's twenty years younger than Trump. Are we going to have temporary--or even permanent--President Pelosi? Pence is 60, so he's a reasonably good bet to both survive and perhaps not even have to give up control temporarily.

    What we have going on in this country isn't good. There is an element determined to undermine efforts to control SARS-CoV-2. They may succeed in getting it themselves, becoming part of a the "herd," but they won't get maybe half or more people to visit stores, dine out, travel, or keep the economy going.
     
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    The rich must have been caught flatfooted--still interacting with too many people. Poorer classes are most protected by keeping numbers down because they are doing a lot of the essential work that can't be done at home.
     
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    I think in general they do. But it only takes one at a busy little rural church to really screw things up.
     
  5. Richard Franks

    Richard Franks Well-Known Member

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    Here is more of the story I found out from today from the Associated Press relating to the Coronavirus hitting a Rural area in Georgia.
    More than a quarter of people in Terrell County live in poverty, the local hospital shuttered decades ago, and businesses have been closing for years, sending many young and able fleeing for cities. Those left behind are sicker and more vulnerable; even before the virus arrived, the life expectancy for men here was six years shorter than the American average.
    Rural people, African Americans and the poor are more likely to work in jobs not conducive to social distancing, like the food processing plant in nearby Mitchell County where four employees died of COVID-19. They have less access to health care and so more often delay treatment for chronic conditions; in southwest Georgia, the diabetes rate of 16 percent is twice as high as in Atlanta. Transportation alone can be a challenge, so that by the time they make it to the hospital, they’re harder to save.
    At least 21 people have died from COVID-19 in this county, and dozens more in the neighboring rural communities. For weeks, Weston’s phone would not stop ringing: another person in the hospital, another person dead. An hour before this funeral, Weston’s phone rang again, and this time it was news that another had succumbed to the virus—his own first cousin, as close to him as a brother.
    For more on this go to:
    https://apnews.com/b2a2add19ce7f4f75f42b29331034706
     
  6. crank

    crank Well-Known Member

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    They have a sense of entitlement, I suspect. Crowding the beaches, 'jogging' in busy parks, etc. Even if they didn't bring it in from their skiing holiday in France, they give it to each other at the gas station, on the beach, in the park, and at the wholefoods grocer.

    The poor aren't getting it here for the reasons mentioned. They live in the more sparsely populated suburbs and rural areas, they travel less, and they don't usually attend 'events' involving crowds (too expensive). They also tend not to move around outside of their local areas as much as the well heeled, plus family and friends will be tend to be local, also.

    Movement and crowds are the two killers. Always have been, in pandemics.
     
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    But churches aren't holding services. Still makes no sense.
     
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    The same is true (in terms of economics etc) of many rural areas, but still they are not experiencing anything like this. Something has happened here that isn't 'normal'.
     
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    That is so sad. If you are poor, it seems as though you are scuppered.
     
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    I just learned a new word.
    Thanks!
     
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    It has maritime origins, you might be interested to know.
     
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    Yeah, I looked it up.
    So you knew of it?
    I heard about scuttle, but not scuppered. But I added it to my spell checker. :)
     
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    All it takes is a single mega church or a meat packing plant here in rural America to spread the virus.

    The lack of medical facilities in these poor areas mean that they fill up quickly and are then overwhelmed.

    Rural America is taking a beating from this virus and it is not being reported or counted in the statistics.
     
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    There is no thorough testing, no effective social distancing, virtually no use of masks, no tracking and tracing and no competent leadership.

    Rural America is more like a 3rd world nation than a civilized nation when it comes to how it has approached this pandemic.

    Opening up of the economy has already demonstrated what can happen with a single individual in SK wreaking havoc. Here we are seeing it on a large scale so yes, there is going to be a "2nd wave" but I suspect that this is going to happen before the 1st wave has even had the chance to recede.
     
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    Deborah Birx reportedly tells task force she can trust "nothing from the CDC"
    According to a Washington Post report, a coronavirus task force meeting this week grew especially heated

    Dr. Deborah Birx reportedly made the comments during a Wednesday meeting.

    "During a task force meeting Wednesday, a heated discussion broke out between Deborah Birx, the physician who oversees the administration's coronavirus response, and Robert Redfield, the director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Birx and others were frustrated with the CDC's antiquated system for tracking virus data, which they worried was inflating some statistics — such as mortality rate and case count — by as much as 25 percent, according to four people present for the discussion or later briefed on it. Two senior administration officials said the discussion was not heated," the newspaper reported.

    "There is nothing from the CDC that I can trust," Birx reportedly said, according to two of the people.


    https://www.salon.com/2020/05/09/de...e-she-can-trust-nothing-from-the-cdc_partner/
     
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    But as the threat becomes known and widespread as it is in the US and UK, rich people step back from contact with the general public.
    But there are other poor who work in service jobs in large cities. They are among the most vulnerable.

    My family--not well-to-do--lived in small towns in the Spanish Flu pandemic. No one died in those families that all had at least ten children.
     
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    How do you know about it, then?
     
  18. Richard Franks

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    President Donald Trump’s oscillations over the fate of his coronavirus task force have tapped into a growing fear within the nation’s public health community: That at a critical juncture in the pandemic fight, the government’s top health experts might still be seen, but increasingly not heard.

    The Trump administration in recent weeks has clamped down on messaging, largely shifting its focus to cheerleading a restart of the nation’s economy even as states and businesses clamor for guidance on how to do so safely.
     
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    This is only true of the public health community is reliant on the federal government for its ability to deal with the virus.
    It's not.
     
  20. crank

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    That's very sad. We are seeing the opposite here, but then we don't have megachurches in sparsely populated areas .. and industries like meatworks tend to be within a couple of hours of big cities, more often than they are remote. It's also important to note that we've not been able to travel between cities/regions either, so no one is taking the virus to these rural areas. That's been pretty crucial in keeping our rural and regional areas COVID free.
     
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    They're not stepping back here. It's they who keep spreading it by crowding the beaches and returning to shop on city streets etc. Also, we don't have a lot of poor working in our big cities. Some in food service and retail, but many of them will actually be students or foreigners on work visas.

    Yes ... the key is not wealth, but space. My poorest relatives are thriving in this pandemic. Good payouts from Govt, and no real risk due to their location. About 12 of them live together - with lots of space, lots of company, and total freedom.
     
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    What does scuppered mean?
    It probably means this:
    a hole in a ship's side to carry water overboard from the deck.
    • an outlet in the side of a building for draining water.
     
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    I have been reading reports that covid 19 figures in the US are being fudged as hospitals are being paid
    large amounts in funding for every covid19 patient as well as larger amounts for covid 19 deaths.
    Is there any way to verify this. Is it just propaganda. Are the death numbers being increased just to make Trump look bad. We here in Australia just hear rumours….cheers for that....
     
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    Yes.
    Ps. You can be knocked into the scuppers and be washed away.


    scupper
    verb (Brit. slang) destroy, ruin, wreck, defeat, overwhelm, disable, overthrow, demolish, undo, torpedo, put paid to, discomfit The entire deal will bescuppered.
     
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    Most hospitals don't get large amounts of money for Covid patients, anymore than any other illness.

    Nothing is paid to a "COVID death", whatever that means. Their may be an autopsy for the extra costs of a infectious death autopsy, but its not a big deal.

    Research work is expensive, but that is another matter. Most hospitals aren't involve in that.
     
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