Corona Virus Update

The virus won't be as bad but it can save you from dying. I never said the vaccine would make you immune from the Coronavirus.

 

3 sailors have COVID on US ship that saw outbreak last year (msn.com)
The sailors should be in quarentine for 2 weeks to be safe.

 

And I suggest people ignore your opinion which you wrap in the words expert because it carries no weight of its own.

 

Is this what herd "mentality" looks like?

When we got the vaccine I expected to see deaths plummet but not much to happen to cases because it's us old people that drive the death rate and got the vaccine early.
But instead the percent positives are dropping like a rock. Very similar to what happened when the New England states did a hard lock down.
Or are people actually listening to 'ol Joe and masking up like never before?


Testing remains at a pretty good level.



Where hospitalizations go deaths are soon to follow.




Anyway it looks like we are headed for record goodness.
Lets keep our fingers crossed.

 

Biden to tap new labor board top cop, rescind Trump apprenticeship…

President Biden late Tuesday reassured a child with fears about contracting COVID-19, saying "I wouldn't worry about it, baby."

 

Apologies, I wasn't targeting anyone, just trying to explain in simple terms how the vaccine works.

 

I appreciate it. Thank you.

 

FBI, U.S. attorney open investigation into NY Gov. Cuomo's handling of nursing home deaths

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...ng-nursing-home-n1258207?cid=eml_nbn_20210217


He could be in trouble ....and his most recent "explanation" was evasive.

 

Pfizer, Moderna vaccines can protect against coronavirus variant, lab studies suggest (msn.com)
A new report published in the New England Journal of Medicine on Wednesday suggests that Pfizer-BioNTech's Covid-19 vaccine can protect people against concerning new coronavirus variants, including one first seen in South Africa called B.1.351.


For the study, researchers at Pfizer and the University of Texas Medical Branch genetically engineered versions of the virus to carry some of the mutations found in B.1.351. They tested them against blood samples taken from 15 people who had received two doses of the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine as part of a clinical trial.

While the blood serum samples produced less neutralizing antibody activity, it was still enough to neutralize the virus, they wrote in a letter to the journal. This is in line with other studies. And it's well within what is seen with other viruses, one of the researchers said

This isn't over yet.

 

Covid vaccine for me was a piece of cake.

 

Hey, you are on the right track ignoring these guys. They don’t know much about immunity. And much of what they think they know simply isn’t true. Start here:
http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?posts/1072435718/
and follow the entire thread through posts #462 and #465.

In post #462 you will find @CenterField giving a qualified teacher’s explanation that’s much more concise and eloquent than the correct (Centerfield and I agree completely on this issue, his experience being in bipedal hominids and mine being more in quadrupedal ruminates) but less concise information I provide.

 

True. 557 is someone who clearly understands the pertinent sciences related to this topic, and his posts are pretty much spot on.
I fully endorse this poster. He does know what he is talking about, to a degree that is rarely seen here.

 

Thanks @557 and @CenterField. We agree on all these points, including Centrefield's eloquent explanation on the other thread.

The bit I don't get with people is why they would rather make themselves look tits than admit they got something wrong. Such lack of self confidence is worrying.

 

Did you mean to link back to a post involving me yet state post 462? Post 462 verified my post which you said was misinformation in the link you provided?
Post 462 :

My concluding statement in my post: "The biggest danger of stating that a vaccine will give "immunity" is that many think that being "immune" means that they cannot infect others".

 

That's the trouble with talking in absolutes. "Cannot"
Leaving my car on the drive does not mean it CANNOT be involved in a crash, but it sure helps towards that.

 

You need to reread the first paragraphs of that post where he describes neutralizing antibodies providing sterilizing immunity.

 

True. We've seen posters on this forum saying that they now no longer need to follow any of the recommendations because they are now "immune" after recovering from the virus

 

To a great extent that is true. Even being immune I could still touch a door handle with covid on it and then shake your hand, but like I say its a matter of risk. If we disallow risk then we are in lockdown forever.
At the moment (In the UK) our most at risk of death (Those who make up 90% of deaths) have all been vaccinated. The reason we cannot unlock is that if we did then the numbers catching the virus would rocket and if that happens then deaths and serious illness among the less vulnerable will also climb. (Even from its lower base) Its a numbers game.
At some point enough people will be vaccinated that the virus becomes like colds and flu and we live with a certain number of deaths each year.

 

I think that once we reach a pre-determined percentage of the adult population vaccinated we should just bite the bullet and open up fully.

 

I think we'll have to.
Like flu Covid is going to be listed as the cause of death in the elderly, primarily because as you near death your immune system fails and you catch whatever is most available.
I always thought that underlying death numbers should have been removed from the Covid death reports as far as possible.
In the UK you could catch Covid, get better, go home, live a month happily and then get run over by a bus. And still be recorded as a Covid death.
Let alone be 92 with organ failure and die, but because Covid was found in the autopsy be recorded as dying from it.

 

I think if someone enters hospital with covid, tested on the day of entrance and dies 29 days later, their cause of death won't be included in the covid death figures as they only include those that have tested positive in the previous 28 days. I doubt that a covid patient on a ventilator would be tested again or an autopsy carried out. Could be wrong though. My preferred figure for indication of covid deaths is excess deaths though that figure becomes useless if the length of time becomes too large

 

They would be included as recent blood tests would show Covid still present.

Yes, and you would need to look at future reduction in deaths as those very old who died a few months early cannot die twice.

 

The confusion results from the fact that this vaccine makes you immune to the spike protein that allows the virus to infect cells. You can carry the virus but it can't infect you.

This is a new approach. Until now, if you got a vaccine, that vaccine led to antibodies against the actual virus.

 

Note that for heard immunity, an audio version of the vaccine can be downloaded.

 

Wrong again.
The virus makes your body create the protein spikes. Your immune system then recognises them as foreign bodies and creates antibodies to neutralise them. Then when you catch the real virus your immune system recognises the protein spikes and attacks them.
So its just the same as any other vaccine in that regard.
I apologise for the simplified version