Corona Virus Update

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  1. Big Richard

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    Was scheduled for my first shot today at 11am. Got a txt yesterday to reschedule to 3/13. Supply issues.
     
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    RNA vaccines initiate production of a very powerful set of neutralizing antibodies quite capable of preventing infection. They are antibodies against the actual virus just like antibodies from natural infection or killed/attenuated live vaccines or vector vaccines. These neutralizing antibodies are capable of preventing virus from ever entering your cells to reproduce.

    There is NO evidence of uninfected individuals “carrying” or “transmitting” disease. NONE. Infected asymptomatics and presymptomatics, yes. Uninfected individuals who were protected from infection by sufficient titers of neutralizing antibodies, NO.
     
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    No they aren't

    Yes there is.
     
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    Source please.
    Source please.

    Have fun looking for a source....LOL
     
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    HereWeGoAgain Banned

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    No, you provide a source.

    Okay here, since you're talking nonsense as usual

    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.02.06.21251283v1

    Note that we HOPED it would reduce viral load - we hoped because it doesn't target the virus itself. The vaccine does reduce viral load but there is virus present.

    Now stop posting nonsense.
     
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    You’ve made these claims. Substantiate them.
     
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    Do you know what a breakthrough infection is? The breakthrough infections are infections not prevented by the vaccination. The “substantial protection of individual vaccinees” is sterilizing immunity as a result of neutralizing antibodies preventing infection. Breakthrough infections occur because none of the vaccines are 100% effective at preventing infection. However, these “breakthrough infections” exhibit lower viral load than seen in natural infection in unvaccinated individuals.

    In short, the first phrase of your pull quote “substantial protection of individual vaccinees” refers to vaccinated individuals who are protected from infection. These individuals DO NOT have a viral load because no virus is replicating in their cells. The phrase “breakthrough infections ” refers to just that. Infections not prevented by the vaccine, but still resulting in less viral replication.

    If there are breakthrough infections there must be something for them to break through. That something is neutralizing antibodies produced by the body in response to the vaccine that prevent infection.

    You have no idea what your source is even referring to.

    Your link also has no references for your claim the virus isn’t targeted.
     
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    Please read this. It will help with your misunderstanding of immunity and vaccines.
    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.02.15.21251623v1.full-text

    Pull quote from results.
    This confirms that both mRNA vaccines PREVENT infection in the (vast) majority of recipients just as I have been explaining for several days. You, @Bowerbird, and others who misunderstand immunity need to educate yourselves.

    Now that we have established these vaccines PREVENT infection, not just lessen disease severity, you still need to produce a study showing uninfected individuals can harbor viable virus or transmit disease. Hint, there is none. There is NO evidence of uninfected individuals being contagious or shedding virus.

    My posts are based on verifiable data.
     
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    I thought the vaccine worked on limiting break through infections, but I was unaware that the stopped all break through infections. I.E prevented infection altogether.
    Most virus gets mopped up in the blood stream, but some always reaches (gets inside) cells, these cells are then destroyed by other parts of the immune system.
    Is there a percentage above which it is considered you are uninfected?
     
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    The level of neutralising antibodies drops with time after peak levels. You can be reinfected if that level becomes not high enough. The body will increase that level once it is triggered but this may not be quick enough to stop transmission of the virus but may be quick enough to stop symptoms

    The level of neutralising antibodies and immune response also detereates with age.

    Once upon a time the measles vaccine was considered to give life time Immunity but then some people were reinfected which ruined that theory
     
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    Half a million dead in the US. That's more than any war except the civil war - in one year

    Probably 350,000 of those deaths were preventable. They died because of trump and his criminal disinformation campaign.

    Trump is the greatest mass murderer in US history. No one man [or a hundred men] has ever had so much blood on his hands.
     
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    Over 85,000 dead from the China virus since Xoe Xiden took office.
     
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    You're right. The daily death rate peaked the day before Biden took over and since then the daily number of deaths has reduced continuously to nearly half the Trump daily death rate
     
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    Good post, truth and justice
     
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    Good to see you Donald, but isn't this little forum a bit of a come down from twitter?
     
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    85,000 deaths in one month........and we have the cure, the Trump covid vaccine!!!!
     
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    Won’t be to long and that will be 300,000+. Thanks China Xoe.
     
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    Be afraid people, for here is the intellectual prowess of the Trump supporter. Big Dick with his Merican flag fist will tell you how it is.
     
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    So, for those still fearful of the c-virus, does the idea of 3,000 migrants coming over our border per day without corona tests, let alone vaccines bother you at all?

    Probably I shouldn't bring up vaccines or Biden will give them vaccine priority over citizens.
     
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    It should worry Mexicans. Your numbers are worse than theirs.:omfg:
    Can you imagine it. The USA worse at controlling the virus than Mexico.
     
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    Donald will take whatever format he can get.;-)
     
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    Trump works as an immunologist for Pfizer?
     
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