Coronavirus case prompts Melbourne school to close after staff member tests positive for COVID-19

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  1. Bush Lawyer

    Bush Lawyer Well-Known Member

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    The news today says between 6 and 7 thousand Americans have been tested so far.

    Pathetic.

    The first batch of tests sent to WA didn't work - though Pence and Trump were bragging about test availability here.

    Now, there are some new tests. But, my wife who has had COVID symptoms since mid Februrary can't be tested, becuase she isnt severely ill enough and there is too much need in elderly living, hospitals, among health workers, etc. - even though we live near the local epicenter in Kirkland.

    Let's remember that Trump has been working to cut the CDC budget - an agency that is key in preparedness if allowed.

    Read anything by Rep Tom Cole (R-OK).
     
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    The real problem with COVID symptoms is how they're too similar to the symptoms of any other viral infection: Fever, dry cough, etc. We could run into a mass hysteria case where a common flu is treated as COVID.
     
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    I suspect that's already a factor..
     
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    We should all have given up international travel years ago, anyway.

    It's killing the planet, and was always a biological disaster waiting to happen.
     
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    That is the main problem with globalization, international entities functioning as one everyone will surely acquire any ailments or downturns a member of the whole may suffer, BUT we only live in one planet and this is really the right norm and we only have to exert extra efforts to contribute for the betterment beneficial for everyone and not only for ourselves. The outbreak of this virus makes seclusion counterproductive.
     
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    Reasonably true, but I'm not sure what your point is here.

    COVID is real. People are dying from it. There are those who are especially vulnerable to COVID. Following principles of containment is certainly warranted - as well as other recommendations.

    We need the truth and, we need to hear from experts.
     
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    Xenophobia is also a deadly disaster waiting to happen.

    We are one world, and travel is an important way to know that.

    Even during the height of the cold war, those who visited Russia were welcomed warmly by those living there, as were Russians who visited here. We can't have the best possible democracy without having a real understanding of the world we live in. And, that doesn't come from presidential decree. Ever.
     
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    My point is that it's hard for any of us to tell. And because it's hard to tell, I don't want to overreact or underreact and end up doing something that might either be counterproductive or not doing anything at all.
     
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    Britain's Health Minister has it now.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bu...with-boris-johnson-has-coronavirus-2020-3?amp

    A health minister in Boris Johnson's government tests positive for coronavirus and had interacted with the prime minister before her diagnosis

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    British Conservative MP Nadine Dorries speaks in the Parliament during a debate on alternatives to Prime Minister Theresa May's Brexit Deal, in London, Britain April 3, 2019, in this screen grab taken from video.
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    • A minister in Boris Johnson's government has tested positive for coronavirus.
    • UK Health Minister Nadine Dorries said on Tuesday that she had been diagnosed with COVID-19.
    • Dorries had reportedly met with MPs and Johnson over the past week, prior to her diagnosis.
    • It's not yet known how Dorries contracted the virus or if she spread it to anyone else.
    • Six people in the UK have died after catching coronavirus.
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    A health minister in Boris Johnson's UK government has tested positive for coronavirus.

    Nadine Dorries confirmed on Tuesday evening that she had caught the COVID-19 virus after The Times of London broke the news.

    Dorries on Tuesday night thanked well-wishers for their support and revealed that her 84-year-old mother had started showing symptoms of the virus.
     
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    Globalisation is a practical matter. No clue why you involved 'xenophobia', which is a personal emotional issue.

    But yes, globalisation is a disaster, in every possible way. Shipping of goods via good quarantine practices is fine, but PRIVATE travel is ridiculous. It was always going to kill us, one way or the other.
     
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    Amen. Who are you going to listen to?

    And, let me point out that listening to Trump on this issue has so far been a very bad idea.

    And why shouldn't it be? What does a US president really know about biology? We're supposed to hire people who know biology and then we're supposed to listen to them.
     
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    Xenophobia thrives on ignorance. The way you grow it is to isolate the population. Then, one can add crap about various foreign peoples and how they should be fixed by our military.

    If you've been there, if you've met the people and talked with them, etc. it's harder to decide their all lunatics - even when that message is promoted domestically.

    If you've visited Palestine, it's harder to decide that those people need to have their property stolen, their houses bulldozed, their water rights stolen, their rights of representation eliminated, etc. - as our government promotes today.
     
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    I'll listen to the basic CDC information that says to wash my hands, stay away from sick people and if I'm sick myself to stay away from others. My "issue" is really that, right now I feel like we're still as much in the dark as we were before. In fact, according to the latest, one of the doctors who treated the very first case said that this thing could've been dormant before the Cruise or before Wuhan.

    This uncertainty and lack of information is my basic point. It's not like most illnesses and viruses where we could separate them(at least not with our information right now.) Basically I'm waiting for a symptom that's able to differentiate COVID-19 from most other illnesses.
     
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    I'd like to see that, too. It seems like the basic problem is that nobody has antibodies for this, since we haven't had a history of exposure.

    At least here in Seattle (across the lake from Kirkland, a noted hot spot) we have been getting a constant update and good advice. Obviously, that's not all the certainty and information we want. But, at least we're getting infor on progress and what to do.

    We were definitely bumbed by Trump and Pence showing up and saying stuff we knew to be false, because of the experts who had been working the problem here for weeks and who had received the tests that didn't work.
     
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    Pretty much like the Native Americans when the 'Pilgrims' and British convicts turned up there, I suppose.
     
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    Seems like the old adage: It's got to get worse before it gets better rings true. In a sadistic way, we need these sick people to recover and produce antibodies, and for those then to be subject to testing for the scientific community to both create a vaccine and to be able to give us that info that differentiates the common cold from COVID-19.
     
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    It would be great if we had experts available to attack these problems in foreign countries, giving us the maximum headstart before they hit here.

    We did that with ebola - which was a very different kind of problem. But, we did have the experts who made a big contribution to keeping it isolated outside the US - not just by blocking our borders, but actually attacking the problem on foreign soil.

    China being the starting point made that difficult, of course.

    Also, China has been the incubator for several of thes issues - bird flu, sars, other flus. Open wet markets, super high density, etc. - just what Satan ordered!
     
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    And yet these multinational corporations keep sending their(and therefore OUR US) goods and properties over to China, making us overly reliant on them. It's why I'm sympathetic to Elizabeth Warren. She wasn't able to win the public support for her presidency(and her popularity in her own State suggests her Senate seat is in jeopardy potentially), but if it was limited to just the financial sector, there's a place for Warren to make a big impact for the United States.
     
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    Yup! Horrible people :)
     
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    That's the word Biden used when Trump wisely shut down China travel.

    Part of the slowness in response was due to government regulation:

    "Meanwhile, the federal government has decreased some regulatory roadblocks for more testing labs to come online. Labs can now start testing if they are pursuing an emergency authorization to test, and don’t have to wait for the Food and Drug Administration to give them final approval."
     
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    China also had tests that didn't work.
     
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    Oh I see. That excuses the failures of the US tests. I get it.
     
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    Interesting - I don't want to read too much into what you're saying here.

    So far, I think selling goods to China is a good thing.

    However, it's been a major mistake that we don't have a strong multinational Pacific trade organization significant enough to put pressure on Chinese business practices.
     

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