Coronavirus Was In U.S. Weeks Earlier Than Previously Known, Study Says

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  1. Vote4Future

    Vote4Future Well-Known Member

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    Those darn scientists are sure that the first case of Covid-19 hit the United States on January 19, 2020. And then they aren't! It amazes me sometimes to look back at the facts in the spring where everyone heard the scientists say they were certain nobody had the virus here in the U.S. before the January incident noted in the article below.

    The virus and the illness that it causes, COVID-19, was first identified in Wuhan, China, in December 2019, but it wasn't until Jan. 19 that the first confirmed COVID-19 case, from a traveler returning from China, was found in the U.S.

    "SARS-CoV-2 infections may have been present in the U.S. in December 2019, earlier than previously recognized," the authors said.

    https://www.npr.org/sections/corona...eeks-earlier-than-previously-known-study-says
     
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  3. Eleuthera

    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    This is actually old news to some extent.

    In Italy and the US many months ago they studied samples of sewage and supposedly found fragments of the virus. I never knew they even kept samples of sewage, so it might be nonsense.

    With a scam of these proportions anything is possible.
     
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    I recalled reading about it being earlier than that. According to this, it is believed to have been between September and December 2019 when it was found in China. My first recollection on hearing about it was late December when a doctor in China died after warning about it. It makes me wonder when they knew that it had spread.

    COVID-19 outbreak may have started in September, say British scientists
    https://crofsblogs.typepad.com/h5n1...rted-in-september-say-british-scientists.html
     
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    It came through my neighborhood in January, before the name became popular.
     
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    There are just so many questions that real journalists could ask our officials/medical experts, but those who pretend to be journalists manage to avoid asking most of the obvious questions. Her are a few that occurred to me:


    LIST OF QUESTIONS REAL JOURNALISTS WOULD ASK ABOUT THE CHINESE WUHAN CORONAVIRUS PANDEMIC:

    1. When did the CCP stop domestic travel in and out of Wuhan?
    2. When did the CCP stop international flights out of Wuhan?
    3. Who was 'patient zero'?
    4. Where was patient zero infected?
    5. When was patient zero infected?
    6. Why hasn't extensive antibody testing already been completed?
    7. Why isn't hydroxychloroquine being given to Americans at high risk of dying from Chinese Wuhan Coronavirus?
    8. Who are the manufacturers of hydroxychloroquine?
    9. Where is hydroxychloroquine manufactured?
    10. How much hydroxychloroquine do we have available?
    11. How many of the deaths attributed to the Chinese Corona Virus are clearly not caused by some underlying critical condition?
    12,13. What are the results of antibody testing? Where can we see the data from that testing?
    14. Where are the ventilators promised to NY?
    15. Why isn't hydroxychloroquine given to high risk individuals before they test positive?
    16. Why didn't any of our numerous secret police/spy agencies, especially NSA, know about the pandemic in China from the start?
    17. Has even one Lupus patient taking hydroxychloroquine tested positive?
    18. Is it ethical to deny the victims of this pandemic hydroxychloroquine?
    19. When can we expect to see the models predicting deaths from economic collapse?
    20. Has any intelligence analyst concluded that the Chinese Corona Virus is a WMD?
    21. Where are the double blind studies proving that shutting down the economy is reducing the spread of the Chinese Coronavirus Pandemic?
    22. Where can Americans take the free rapid antibody test?
    23. Where is the map of all the testing stations in every state?
    24. Who are the federal and state officials responsible for failing to provide unemployment compensation to laid off workers?
    25. Why are hospital workers being laid off if the system is being overwhelmed?
    26. Why are there so many empty beds in our hospitals during the peak of the pandemic?
    27. Do any of the advocates for an economic shutdown have links to CCP State Owned Enterprises?
    28. How many US and EU companies has the CCP bought during this stock market crash?
    29. What are the names and stock symbols of these new CCP controlled corporations?
    30. How many more deaths/year result from every 1% increase in US unemployment?
    31. Is there any evidence that the Wuhan BSL-4 Virology Lab ha developed bioweapons?
    32. Is the Wuhan Corona Virus the product of Gain-of-Function research?
    33. Where did the funding for the Wuhan BSL-4 Virology Lab's gain-of-function reserach come from?
    34. Why is NY refusing to compile data after the treating patients with hydroxychloroquine?
    35. What are the key components of antibiotics no longer manufactured in the US?
    36. Has the President ordered the manufacture of these components in the US?
    37. Where are the components of these critical drugs being manufactured in the US?
    38. How long will it take to replace China as a source of these production materials?
    39. Have patients taking hydroxychloroquine at home suffered side effects?
    40. What side effects have they reported?
    41. What was the dosage that resulted in these side effects?
    42. How many patients has the FDA found with side effects from hydroxychloroquine?
    43. Do any of the experts researching the CCP Wuhan Coronavirus have investments in China or with businesses that have a relationship with CCP controlled SOE's?
    44. Who are the VA doctors who claimed that their "study" showed that hydroxychloroquine killed veterans intubated while being treated for the Corona Virus.
    45. Are the VA doctors who conducted the study infectious disease specialists?
    46. What is the specialty of the VA doctors who conducted the study?
    47. Are the VA doctors who conducted the study connected with any pharmaceutical company?
    48. Have the VA doctors who conducted the study ever been involved with a political party or any professional politician?
    49. What is the number of diagnosed cancers that have been allowed to grow while treatment has been denied by government mandate?
    50. How many patients with heart disease have been denied treatment while their doctors have been ordered not to treat them?
    51. How many patients with other serious illnesses have been denied care by the shutdown of medical treatment and procedures not related to the Wuhan Coronavirus?
    52. What do the models project to be the number of deaths associated with the denial of care to patients during the mandated shutdown of medical services?
    53. Why are you unable to provide those numbers?
    54. When will you be able to provide us with the numbers for denial of care and death from denial of healthcare?
    55. Why are there no models revealing the damages associated with the government ordered denial of medical care?
    56. Has any intelligence analyst concluded that any news organizations or businesses active in the US have links to CCP news organizations or other Chinese SOEs?
    57. Are there any reports from any part of the USG that reveal the links between news organizations and businesses operating in the US and the CCP or any of its entities or satellites?
    58. Why don't you know? Don't you think you should know?
    60. What is the mortality rate for intubated Wuhan Coronavirus patients?
    61. What is the mortality rate for all intubated hospital patients?
    62. When was it known that the death rate for intubated Wuhan Coronavirus patients was 80%?
    63. Are there alternatives to intubation?
    64. What are the treatments given to members of the WH Coronavirus Taskforce after the have been tested positive with the Wuhan Coronavirus?
    65. Have any of the members of the White House Taskforce being given any prophylactic treatments for the Wuhan Coronavirus?
    66. What "precautions" is Dr. Fauci taking after discovery that he has had contact with infected persons?
    67. What is the mortality rate for all those Spring Breakers?
    68. Have any of those flocking to beaches during Spring Break been diagnosed with the Wuhan Coronavirus?
     
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    All are fair questions. What do you think would happen if someone were to probe into this? I don't imagine any answer other than the one already given ("It is what it is.").
     
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    Yes, MSM = Fake News.

    Real news might even sell newspapers. ;-)
     
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    What list!

    Too bad only about 5 or 6 of those "questions" real questions.

    There about 10 questions that are known to all.

    There about 10 questions that are unknowable except by God.

    The bundle of HQ questions have been answered by research.
     
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    That is indeed news that's somewhat older. Cambridge came up with this:
    https://www.cam.ac.uk/research/news...nalysis-provides-snapshot-of-pandemic-origins

    They mapped it all out. It ends up that covid19 mutates a heck of a lot, but it has 3 main branches.
    It starts out with this so called type A. Type A mutated into type B,... and than off to type C.

    Type A is to be found in Wuhan,... but most people in Wuhan contracted type B.
    That leads people to guess it might not have started in Wuhan.
    Type A is also widely to be found in the US.
    Type B raged across South East Asia.
    Type C is what goes on the Europe.

    So hence the riddle... how on earth did an early form of covid end up in the US?
    The answer is: they must have taken in home before the type B was around.
    So the conclusion ends up that the US probably had covid raging through the country before they knew it.
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    MSM = propaganda/indoctrination
     
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    Journalism does not exit in the MSM.

    "Marie Antoinette did not cause the French Revolution by saying 'Let them eat cake.' And journalists who earn more in a day, by giving a speech, than the average American family earns in a year are not what's most wrong with today's press.
    They are, however, vivid symbols of larger attitudes that the public dislikes in the media. Like other symbols of excess, from Marie Antoinette to the toilet seat, today's journalistic 'buckrakers' have the potential to undermine themselves and their institution by weakening such trust as the public now has in them. The media establishment may soon wish that it had corrected the problem while it could."
    BREAKING THE NEWS, How the Media Undermine American Democracy, James Fallows, First Vintage Books, 1997, p. 84.
     
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    now that the election is over, we will start to hear dribs and drabs of what was kept from us. Admitting that the virus was here much before the "experts" said would have shown that there was nothing that DC could have done.
     
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    Doesn't it seem funny that Biden is so chummy with China and the virus came from China (some suspect deliberately) and Biden gets helped by this.... Chinese Collusion!!

    Seriously though, the media put us through the whole Russian collusion hoax because simply (from what I understand), Putin was happy Trump won and Trump was happy too, and from what they discovered, Trump never had any connection with Putin or Russian during the 2016 election. But Biden has done business on the sly with China sounds like for a very long time, has a very cozy relationship with China, wins by a Chinese virus, and no one finds a conflict of interest there? Hhhmmm...
     
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    Hmmmm....

    https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2017/03/politics/trump-putin-russia-timeline/

    Trump tells Fox Business’ Eric Bolling that Putin was nice to him during Miss Universe.

    “We just left Moscow,” Trump said. “He could not have been nicer. He was so nice and so everything. But you have to give him credit that what he’s doing for that country in terms of their world prestige is very strong.”

    In the same interview, Trump praises Putin’s invasion of Crimea.

    “Well, he’s done an amazing job of taking the mantle,” Trump said. “And he’s taken it away from the President, and you look at what he’s doing. And so smart. When you see the riots in a country because they’re hurting the Russians, OK, ‘We’ll go and take it over.’ And he really goes step by step by step, and you have to give him a lot of credit

    July 27, 2016
    Trump says at a news conference that he had never met Putin and didn’t know who he was:

    “I never met Putin,” Trump said. “I don’t know who Putin is. He said one nice thing about me. He said I'm a genius. I said thank you very much to the newspaper and that was the end of it. I never met Putin.”
     
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    You can say that, but they did found out very close people around Trump were talking to the Russians.
    And they lied about it under oath and obstructed the justice department.
    They got tossed in jail, and Trump is giving them pardons.
    Trumps very close buddies wouldn't be lying and obstructing for the sake of a media hoax.
    And that's for sure.

    And Trump has plenty of real estate in China.
    He aint much of an American.
    His grandfather was an immigrant.
    His own mother was an immigrant.
    His bimbo of a wife is an immigrant as well.
    And so was his first wife.


    Imagine if Biden was an ethnic Chinese though ....
    We would be having birther discussions like we had with Obama.
     
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    we knew this, but Trump refused to test as he thought higher numbers and earlier case made him "look" bad

    Trump preferred to play it down, lie to the people as they died
     
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    China liked Trump, he was easy to manipulate, all Trump wanted was personal gain

    Ivanka meets with China on white house business, they give her Trademarks as a gift?

    "Ivanka Trump Wins China Trademarks, Then Her Father Vows to Save ZTE"

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/28/business/ivanka-trump-china-trademarks.html

    "six days before the ZTE announcement, China said it approved five of Ms. Trump's trademarks, according to data from China's trademark office."

    [​IMG]
     
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    Early information about something new was imperfect. Color me shocked.

    This is not even new news, at least to me. I had an ER nurse tell me in February that now that they knew what to be looking for, they were sure this virus was going around awhile before people knew and was being diagnosed as generic respiratory infections just based on chest xrays they were seeing of people, particularly younger adults, coming into the ER for other things like accidents.
     
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    Tell me you're not saying immigrants can't be Americans.
     
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    "Confirmed" case.
    One can only guess how many people brought it over here before then.
     
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    The way a white American like Donald with such an obvious background of immigration reacts to non white Americans wanting to be Americans too... yeah.. let me stick to saying that non white Americans can't be Americans according to plenty of white Americans.
     
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    yep, Trump can no longer keep it quite, I been saying since March to test blood samples back from December of those that died

    not doing this makes all the models wrong early on
     
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    yep, they need to go back and test more samples, find out the earliest samples they can find, go back to October 2019 if they can
     
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