Could all humans begin from just two people?

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Could G-d in a sense learn or evolve and still be G-d???

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  1. DennisTate

    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This is a very good question and it comes from one of the most astonishingly insightful posters on this forum.


    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...ankind-by-rick-joyner.390023/#post-1064610594

    A message from Adam to all mankind by Rick Joyner.


    My answer is that the word "human" is subject to definition........... Edgar Cayce was shown five Adam and Eve pairs over the past several million years..... and whether or not what he saw was true or not is simply beyond my Security Clearance Level?!

    I believe that YHWH / G-d / The Ancient of Days EVOLVED....... and that Adam and Eve were created...... (and yes... I cannot rule out five or more Adam and Eve pairs)?????

    More information on what I mean by G-d evolving can be read here:

    www.CarbonBias.blogspot.ca/
     
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    Chapter thirteen of "Stephen Hawking's Universe" is entitled The Anthropic Principle. It goes into an Agnostic or Atheistic explanation for the Cyclic Model of the Universe / Multiverse that reminded me of what was shown to former Atheist Mellen Benedict during his brush with death around 1983 or so.


    https://www.near-death.com/experiences/exceptional/mellen-thomas-benedict.html#a05

     
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    If god has evolved then why hasn't he fixed all the problems he caused the first time around, like cancer, backache and anal warts, not to mention f****** viruses?
     
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    Why would he want to?
     
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    Because we are actually made in the image of G-d.....
    specifically in the image of the Seven Spirits of G-d... the fourteen Elohim of
    Genesis 1:26, 27.... who were shown to a near death experiencer to be twins....... seven male and female pairs.... and every human on earth has a spark.... (like a minature clone we might say) .... of one of these Elohim within them.........

    "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
    So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them."


    http://www.allaboutchristian.com/spirituality/
    You and I and all eight billion of us have AUTHORITY in our words.......... and former Atheist Howard Storm was shown that G-d wanted to teach humanity to use our words .... our power.... our authority much more wisely by the year 2185.......


    Near death experiencer Mellen Benedict was shown that amazing progress was supposed to be made within fifty years.....

    https://www.near-death.com/experiences/exceptional/mellen-thomas-benedict.html#a09

     
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    "In all their affliction he was afflicted, and the angel of his presence saved them: in his love and in his pity he redeemed them; and he bare them, and carried them all the days of old." (Isaiah 63:9)

    Because our Creator is much more emotional than we tend to imagine.....


    https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/gen/6/1/s_6001


    And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

    And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

    And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.




    "Exposing the Nephilim" - Kevin Zadai

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    If he didn't then he's definately a c***
     
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    Ever heard that a little suffering is good for the soul?
     
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    I think that working and working and working and working on angels, Watchers, Cherubim, Seraphim and myriads of other life forms for infinite time in the past.......... caused the most ancient Intelligence to be deeply, deeply concerned that our lives be improved and we all be led to a truly heavenly state of mind but....... perhaps we have to be allowed to have it rough for a while..... like Howard Storm did.... before we can really appreciate utopia, paradise or heaven???

    Could God the Father be the most emotional being in the universe/ multiverse?



    https://www.near-death.com/experiences/gay/christian-andreason.html#a04h

     
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    Your quote:
    With that, it appears that you deny all the versions of of faith that trace to Abrahamic origins!

    And, on the basis of the eminations of dying brains?
     
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    Yes............ but I believe that these accounts are a massive part of the fulfillment of this promise..... that in a sense takes precedence over the unclear and difficult to understand teachings... that even Peter, James, John, Thomas and the gang got all confused over.


    Jhn 16:25


    These things have I spoken unto you in proverbs: but the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall shew you plainly of the Father."


    I mean how in the world could a group of firemen fake their group NDE account??????

    https://www.near-death.com/experiences/group.html

    What happened to those firemen is up there with what happened to Hananiah, Mishael and Azariah in the Book of Daniel.

     
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    There's one theory out there that the offspring of Adam and Eve may have bred with monkeys (humanoid primates that existed at the time).

    The claim that Adam and Eve were the first "people" is based on a particular translation/interpretation of the scripture, which might not be the correct one.

    They could have been the first "people" but not the first "humanoids", a subtle distinction that might be mostly irreverent in today's world, but not necessarily back at that time, when humanoid primates like the Neanderthal roamed the earth.
     
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    All that I know about the Book of Jasher is that it is extremely old..... and was discovered only a few centuries ago.... perhaps in Ethiopia because the Coptic Christians preserved many amazing writings.


    https://www.sacred-texts.com/chr/apo/jasher/9.htm

     
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    Mormons believe they can evolve into God's, so I suppose

    God was eviler in the Jewish religion and evolved in Christianity some, so seems like it

    the bible says God gave us the rainbow as he realized what he did was wrong and promised never to do it again

    of course that means God is not perfect and is ever learning and evolving
     
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    In 1943 near death experiencer Dr. George Ritchie was shown a couple of rather scary levels in the afterlife.... then some extremely positive levels that perhaps those who get to those levels could be termed "gods????"


    https://www.near-death.com/religion/christianity/george-ritchie.html#a05e


     
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    The New Testament is VERY clear about what is required to get to heaven.

    And, your NDE guy countered that very clearly.

    Also, I don't quite see how your NDE guy could possibly be consistent with the other two Abrahamic faiths, as they also don't see all humans headed for heaven.
     
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    https://answersingenesis.org/genetics/did-we-all-come-from-adam-and-eve/

     
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    I don't know the full answer to your quite good questions..... all that I know is that 2Corinthians 12 : 2-4 left me in a position that I could NOT rule out these near death experience accounts.

    I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven.

    And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;)

    How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter."

    My guess.... is that some sort of plan by G-d to redeem everybody...... eventually...... is very dangerous information that would be hidden until the "Latter days".... and I believe those latter days is NOW! My guess as to why that information would be so dangerous would be that if we knew about a plan to save everybody...... we might have behaved even worse than we have in what we know of as history.

    Jeremiah 23:20 "The anger of the LORD shall not return, until he have executed, and till he have performed the thoughts of his heart: in the latter days ye shall consider it perfectly."


    Jeremiah 30:24

    The fierce anger of the LORD shall not return, until he have done it, and until he have performed the intents of his heart: in the latter days ye shall consider it."


    Daniel 12:4


    But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased."
     
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    Universalism is not bibical.
     
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    Of course we don't have a full and complete record of all human forebears.

    But, this version sounds crazy hard to be made to conform to what has been found.
     
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    Unless there is hidden meaning in Romans chapters nine, ten and eleven... that was not meant to be fully understood until the Latter days????

    https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/rom/11/1/s_1057001


    Rom 11:1


    I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.

    God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,

    .....

    Rom 11:32

    For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all."

    My guess... and that is what it is.... a guess... is that Paul was tempted to volunteer to become one of the two metaphorical "goats" of Yom Kippur because a latter day Yom Kippur event is hinted at in the fact that Passover comes in the Spring........ but Yom Kippur occurs during the autumn harvest festivals.

    I could be wrong but I suspect that volunteering to become a "Yom Kippur goat" may have been what Paul hinted at when he wrote.....


    Romans 9:1


    I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost,

    That I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart.

    For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh:

    Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;



    Does a major fallen angel return to G-d and divide the kingdom of Satan and...

    cause it to fall?

    but the goat on which the lot fell for Aza'zel shall be presented alive before the LORD to make atonement over it, that it may be sent away into the wilderness to Aza'zel.(Leviticus 16:10 RSV)

    In a nutshell I have came to strongly suspect that Azazel is the fallen angel who will be somewhat like General Abner who brought the ten tribes over to King David or to Rav Shaul/Paul who repented of persecuting Christians and followers of God.

    I suspect that when the fallen angel Azazel returns to the God of Abraham with his whole heart...when Yom Kippur is completely fulfilled....then a major step will have been taken toward the ushering in of a truly new era of worldwide peace where even the eating habits of wild animals like lions will be altered!


    And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand:And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?
    (Matthew 12)



     
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    For the record.. I do believe that there is a hell..... but TIME is an invention...... one seventh of time... the Sabbath was made for man;

    Mar 2:27
    "And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:"

    The other six sevenths of time were made for mankind even more so than the Sabbath in many ways....... so........
    Each point in time in what we think of as history can become a beginning for a new time line that would fulfill Ezekiel chapter thirty seven.....and could fit with Multiverse Theory........ and is one possible angle on how G-d brings all of us eventually..... to repentance?!


    We are used to the idea of using fear to scare people to repentance but I believe that we are going into a time period when everybody will know our Creator from the least to the greatest and all will concentrate less on scaring each other into repentance........... but concentrate more on the astonishing love of G-d for each of us that results in G-d even knowing how many hairs we have on our heads in any given instant in time.


    https://www.near-death.com/religion/christianity/george-ritchie.html#a05c

     

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