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What was Ireland to the English?

https://www.historyofengland.net/british-empire/ireland-the-first-colony#

Why was Ireland divided? Because the Colonialists would not accept being part of it. They demanded their part to stay part of the Protestant United Kingdom.

Your problem is if the Irish decide to leave it - that is leave the UK, they have at the moment a couple of problems. Westminster and the DUP (they are your residual colonialists even if these ones ancestors hail from Scottish shores)are saying they cannot have a vote to determine this. So given that polls say the majority of the people of NI would vote for Unity rather than leaving the EU and particularly under No Deal would, as you have suggested leave - it looks unlikely that this would be able to be achieved democratically. The plus of working democratically being that it avoids violence.

 

So what? If the Northern Irish want to leave then goodbye and thanks for all the Semtex. We will have to locate the DHS Centre somewhere else

 

Why wouldn't it be the UK if Scotland left?

 

I have already explained why not. Now if this results in violence in NI then you can say goodbye to any deal with the US.

 

So what? Freedom is more important than money.

 

Holy Moses, you are wanting the freedom to starve to death. You can if you want but you do not need to lay it on all the other people from England.

 

I only hope it is as tough as it can possibly be from every direction.

 

You would not understand but I will try to explain.

Three hundred years ago the English bought Scotland for £400,000. That worked out at about 40p a Scot.

Scots come cheap. The English don't.

 

If how you are speaking is an example of the English then they do appear very cheap and possibly not so bright. However I know plenty of English people and lived in England for over 20 years so I know this is not so.

You are the one who is totally fooled. You speak words about your so called 'freedom and your feeling of superiority of the English. Is it English Supremacy rather than white Supremacy a previous poster spoke of. It is sad that some people in England have moved this way and concerning for the future of the people of England.

You have already stated in a different thread in the Western Europe forum that you do not care how bad it gets because you want to harm those who want remain. To you the only thing that is important is getting out of the EU. You do not care that you are old and living some fantasy of England being an Imperialist power whose ethnicity is beyond any the world has known and who most of all hates looks down on the other countries of the UK and Ireland. You do not care taking away the chances and choices of the young in the UK who will suffer most from your selfishness and feeling of superiority.

What you wish to do is take the UK from membership of a club where it moved from being considered the 'sick man of Europe' to having the 5th, previously 4th largest economy in the world - not to be confused with being the 4th 5th richest country, there we are only 20th. Our current economic system went bankrupt in 2008 so what is to come is going to be different or is going to move to a new kind of feudalism as political theorists are now saying or to fascism which I suspect is the one you would support.

So your 'freedom' that you want to force on the rest of the people of England is the freedom of giving up being one of the three top voices in a strong community where there was far more freedom of choice than that which you are now intending on taking England and at the moment all the countries of the UK. You want to take the UK into a far poorer form of life where to even get the the most unworthy of trade deals we will need to be giving up our food standards, almost certainly give up having free medical care at the time of need, give up individual rights to information, allow information about individuals to be given to others and stand by the US in whatever war or any other stand against any other people it wants. You want slavery for those people of England. What is more as I have already said, should the action you want bring about violence against the people of Ireland due to your intent to give up the Good Friday agreement, then the chances of you having this relationship or 'trade deal' is itself possibly over. If it is not on all things it will be do as the US says or suffer. You have expressed you do not mind. You do not care what harm you put not only on the people of Ireland, Scotland and Wales but on England itself as you have said before even if you suffer you will get pleasure at seeing those who voted remain suffering too. Frankly in all these things you appear a traitor but that is what those who support fascism are - giving up the rights of the people to Corporate Power. That is as cheap as it gets.

 

The other way around, a no deal Brexit depends on keeping the Union whole. A No Deal Brexit would impoverish the South to a degree that it would make any thought of a United Ireland impossible.

 

We'll see, joint customs and special economic status for the south for starters.

 

1. What the hell does this have to do with the English? That's pure racism.

2. Whose 'colony' were we exactly? We were a full and equal part of Britain and WE had the greatest empire the world has ever known.

3. Ireland was divided because Irish Unionists knew that Irish Nationalists couldn't be trusted,, that they were inherently anti-British bigots who would murder and discriminate against us and stab the rest of Britain in the back first chance they got. And how right we were! Because we didn't want to be ruled over by the monsters who murdered our families. And the UK is not 'Protestant', it's multi-denominational, that's why we celebrate the Act of Toleration every year. It was the Irish Free State which was a Catholic state for a Catholic people.

4. The DUP are not 'residual colonists' whoever said such a thing, they're Irish Unionists.

5. In this sense the polls mean nothing, the South would be bankrupted by a No Deal Brexit, the decision for Brexit was made by the whole of Britain and that's whose opinion counts.

 

It's history learn some.

 

A no deal Brexit destroys the Union, no other way.Brexit is an English Nationalist deal. ....and what is more a no deal Brexit harming the Irish people is looking more and more like a No US deal.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...deal-if-northern-ireland-peace-at-risk-pelosi

 

Of course there are a few Brit Nationalists as well as the English, as well as a few Tories hoping to make an enormous amount of money on the suffering of the ordinary people of the UK and a few who genuinely believe this will be good for the UK for a reason which genuinely believes it is for the good of all.

That you want to destroy Ireland is the reason there will be war. That you want to destroy Ireland is heinous. I am aware though that Arlene Foster's reason for the DUP voting for leave was because she believed that it would end all possibility of Independence for Scotland and Union for Ireland. You now are adding the need for the destruction of Eire so that you can achieve this. Thank you for your honesty because I did not know the extent of your heinous plan. That the Tories started a No Deal call the moment they made a Deal with the DUP suggests that they agreed to deliberately work to destroy the Good Friday agreement and bankrupt Ireland in order to keep the Tories in power....and you believe there will be no war?

Let's look at who caused the NI troubles. The NI Catholics were going on non violent marches wanting equal rights with the Protestants in the 60's. Even black people in the (white nationalist) US were getting equal rights. It makes sense that the Catholics of NI were not going to remain the only people in the West without same. But what happened at their non violent marches for same? You know. They were met with violence from the Protestant Ulster Unionists. This increased. More and more violence from the Protestant Ulster Unionists over the Catholics wanting equal rights. It became so bad that Eire were thinking they would need to send their army in to protect the Catholics. The UK chose instead to send it the British Army. The Catholics welcomed them because they thought they were going to keep them safe. Not a bit of it. They were there for the Protestant Ulster Unionists. The Catholics of NI were going to be kept without rights including the right to vote for the vast majority by violence. I am against resolving issues with violence but this more than most was one where it is totally understandable that the only thing left was for (P) IRA to come in.

Who funded (P) IRA? The US of course. That did result in fighting going on for longer that it might otherwise have done and eventually that funding was stopped and people were ready to move for the Good Friday Agreement and make a peace which was reasonably strong but still fragile.......and now you want to destroy that agreement that kept peace and hold the people of NI and the people of Scotland as part of Britain against their will. Further you want to destroy Eire by making it bankrupt....and all you have to keep the rest of the UK from ruin is the hope that the US will give you a deal which will fund this. Are you crazy? ...well I guess the answer to that is obvious.

 

and you believe there will be no violence when it would seem work is going on to promote it?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-no...lice-got-it-wrong-over-apprentice-boys-parade

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-49317031

 

It would not surprise me if the Ulster Unionists got the comeuppance from their very thing they believe is their identity. You are forgetting that Brexit is, most of all, an English Nationalist thing and they do know that they are going to reduce the standard of living for the people of the UK for a considerable if not continuous time. They will think England first, not Britain first.

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/...ot-want-to-pay-for-northern-ireland-1.3723855

A DUP determined on a 'UK Union' supporting English Nationalism wanting an Independent England.....

 

I did, I have a 2;1 Hons in Modern History from Queens University Belfast. What do you have?

 

I did, I have a 2;1 Hons in Modern History from Queens University Belfast. What do you have?

 

Don't be daft, the UK voted as a whole and was counted as a whole, plenty of folks voted for Brexit who were not English (and plenty of English people voted against it). You may have noticed Pelosi is in charge of Congress and therefore impotent, Trump wants a deal. Plus I wouldn't rely on The Guardian, the most remainest of all.

 

1. How exactly are some Tories making money off all this?

2. How do I 'want to destroy Ireland' EXACTLY? Just stating a fact, No Deal Brexit would bankrupt the south.

3. Irish Nationalists caused NI's Troubles, they denied our right to exist, NICRA was an IRA front who deliberately goaded Unionists who'd seen their families murdered by the IRA and then elected to parliament. If anyone was oppressed it was the Unionists and Protestants in the Free State in the sick and evil Catholic State for a Catholic people. The army was there to protect the Catholics but rapidly learned they weren't to be trusted when they stabbed them in the back, hiding behind the soldiers whilst murdering Unionists, PIRA and Irish Nationalists sick and depraved indifference to their victims were the problem. The IRA were defeated when their friends like Colonel Gadaffi disappeared and the security forces and Loyalists beat them down until they couldn't go on anymore.

How STUPID are you? Well, I guess the answer is obvious?

 

1. What the heck does that mean?

2. SO? Who cares? It was right of them to show solidarity with Soldier F, a brave paratrooper who risked his life to protect the people of my home town and is now being hung out to dry to appease the Nazis.

 

No, it's Brexit, not Englexit. If anything Unionists are being rewarded, in a position of more power than in about a century. And why are you quoting some pure opinion peace from some know nothing commentator from the Irish Times who provides no evidence to sustain his assertion and is terrified by what No Deal will do to the south? Did you think if you used enough Emojis no one would notice?