Could the Christian gospel be much worse news?

So he graduated from an unaccredited college and wasn't very bright.

 

On the plus side.... Mr. Garner Ted Armstrong was then.... and still is one of the
best Christian comedians.... that I have ever heard.

His sermons and lectures...... were quite funny.... which attracted my attention back in those days.
I turned 14 in May of 1973...... and back during those years I would listen to him on TV and radio.... and
read anything that he offered to send to me.

We all have to start somewhere.......

 

I believe that may have been in the context of people wanting to become disciples.

King David was tempted into committing murder by the sight of a woman.

Ever watch late-night murder mystery shows? Do you know how many murders are motivated by an extramarital affair?

 

They were trying to make what they perceived to be (actually what they desired it to be) God's will on earth come true, through waging a war (and oftentimes carrying out murders). So when Jesus came along a few years later, a lot of what he said about peace and "rendering up to Ceasar that which is Ceasar's" makes sense in that historical context.

 

The 'worse news' is that sometimes HE seems as if HE isn't around.

 

True.......................
there are beings who live in the illusion that the Creator is unaware of what they are doing......


https://www.near-death.com/experiences/notable/george-ritchie.html#a05d

 

I have heard that he wasn't exactly faithful to his wife..........
but many of us guys think about these verses when we go in that direction.....

1Timothy 3:2

A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of onewife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;

1Timothy 3:12

Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well.

Tit 1:6

If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly."

Oh.... Margot2........ I believe that a woman can also take "The Cyrus Challenge!":


Faith vs Science?


Here is what I feel could be some of the best possible background information to study first though:

https://www.near-death.com/religion/judaism/beverly-brodsky.html
Beverly Brodsky's Near-Death Experience

Now you might wish to raise your left hand rather than your right hand.... but that is totally your decision....... If it is true that male thinking is left hemisphere dominated...... and if female thinking is either right hemisphere of the brain or pretty much equal..... due to women having about thirty percent large corpus callosums....... then.......

 

Yes...... I believe that G-d........
is an Inventor / Scientist / Psychologist / Doctor.........
who just happens to be composed of fundamental or nearly fundamental energy....... rather than matter..........

www.CarbonBias.blogspot.ca/

 

RE: Could the Christian gospel be much worse news?
⁜→ DennisTate

There is nothing that can be presented through science or philosophy that can demonstrate your belief that the Supreme Being is composed of this or that is wrong. Scientifically, matter is a particular state of energy. For you, it is a characteristic you choose to assign to your vision of The Supreme Being.

(COMMENT)

Faith-Based Beliefs and Scientific Beliefs are NOT mutually exclusive. You can be both a Believer and a Scientist simultaneously. A believer that hold the Supreme Being to be omnipotent must then also believe that The Supreme Being can have any form it wishes.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

Extremely well said..........
and the case that can be presented that perhaps G-d in a sense "evolves" or learns......
or gets better at creating.........
has the potential to set the stage for placing essentially infinite value on human life.........
which could come in so handy considering that we are facing a 117 or more TRILLION USA petrodollar challenge
in the Derivatives Market...........


https://www.near-death.com/reincarnation/experiences/mellen-thomas-benedict.html#a05

 

The metaphysics of Involution/Evolution places God at the 7th highest stage, a long way from dense matter.

Tejman is impressive. Rudolph Steiner said that thought is electrical whereas consciousness is electromagnetic.

 

Yes...... it is too bad that he may not be recognized until after he passes on.........
but in my opinion he has laid the foundation for altering the way that we view Evolution.... especially "Abiogenesis."


Dr. Chaim Tejman deserves Origin of Life Prize.

 

RE: Could the Christian gospel be much worse news?
⁜→ DennisTate, et al,

There, you've inadvertently painted yourself in a corner.

(COMMENT)

A couple points here become problematic.

◈ G-d in a sense "evolves" or learns
◈ "gets better at creating"

This depends on what the believer holds as attributes within the make-up of the Supreme Being.

(CONDITIONAL STATEMENTs)

✧ IF: → You, as a believer, subscribe to the idea that a characteristic of your Supreme Being the capacity to know everything that there is to know. (Omniscience • if you will.)
..............................................................AND
✧ IF: → You, as a believer, subscribe to the idea that a characteristic of your Supreme Being is in having complete and total power --- having an unlimited source of energy at it will. (Omnipotence • if you will.)

✦ THEN: The Supreme Being need not "evolve" since all the necessary forms - across all timelines - have already happened. The Supreme Being cannot make a mistake, so any creation it makes is exactly what was intended the Supreme Being cannot be flawed and cannot make a flawed reality. As All Powerful and All Knowing, what is, is what the Supreme Being intended (no mistakes - no need for improvement). ​

Now, it can be the case that some believers have envisioned a Supreme Being that is flawed and fallible.

✧ IF: → The Supreme Being is either flawed and fallible --- or capable of an error •
✦ THEN: The Supreme Being is is not all knowing (not Omniscience) •

✧ IF: → The Supreme Being cannot manipulate all forms of energy, bending it to its will •
✦ THEN: The Supreme Being is not all powerful (not Omnipotence ) •​

The characteristic the Believer assigns to the image they hold of the Supreme Being defines the very nature of the Supreme Being. But it must be remembered that the image of the Supreme Being is well beyond knowledge and imagination.

One final notion question. IF the Supreme Being Omniscience and Omnipotence
HOW can the Supreme Being unintentionally create an imperfect entity or the state of being "evil?"

Most Respectfully,
R

 

I am going to start with your one final question....... my theory is that perhaps Lucifer Satan may not be "evil" in the most strict sense of the word but instead could be acting in a similar mentality to Stanley Milgram Ph. D.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment


I believe that the Supreme Being is composed of fundamental energy and tends to become more and more and more and more COMPLEX!

Actually you and I at this moment are living inside of the Supreme Creator but we could be defined as cancerous cells............ within the Supreme Being........

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Teilhard_de_Chardin

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omega_Point

I did the best that I could to explain my view in this blog:

www.CarbonBias.blogspot.ca/

 

The reality is everyone is going to be headed towards what they deserve.
The good news is the forgiveness of sins, that that is available for those who turn from their ways.

 

EXACTLY....... I believe firmly that once even fallen angels......... or fallen Watchers.... or fallen children and grandchildren of the Watchers repent.........
and break out of their predatory behaviour patterns.........
they can go up and up and up and up into higher and higher vibrational level heavens where there is less and less and less and less violence............

 

Well said........ but actually..... I think that we are all headed for something far, far, far, far better than what we deserve. None of the Saved in heaven... think that they deserve to be there......... or they would be risking being sent in the other direction?!

 

RE: Could the Christian gospel be much worse news?
⁜→ DennisTate, et al,
(QUESTIONs)

✪ Where does the concept of "Heaven" come from?

◈ Where does the concept of "Angels" come from?

◈ Where does the concept of "Hell" come from?​

✪ The Supreme Being seems to be having a hard time creating a species with the mental acuity to be devout without the coercion associated with the mainstream religions. Does that mean that the Supreme Being cannot make an Angel that will not fall from grace?

✪ Did the Supreme Being make "demons?" Or can the fallen Angels create life?

✪ Is the Supreme Being a Psychopath? Is the Supreme Being a Sociopath? Does the Supreme Being have remorse?

✪ Why does the Supreme Being condemn the creations that do not pay homage? Why does not the Supreme Being just wish the corrections in humanity? Why the plagues visited on Egypt? Why the destruction of humanity by flood? Why the drama in the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah? Why blame humanity for the Supreme Beings product defects made at the time of creation?​

Could the Supreme Being, itself, make this many flaws and not be a flawed production/creation entity?



Most Respectfully,
R

 

He was also an episcopal priest. But left the church.

He was also an alcoholic as was his last wife mary jane yates.

I have read all of his books long ago .

Went to a few of his talks before he died in his sleep in 73.

He was a great lecturer lecture but never knew him personally He was a character in the keriouc book dharma bums.

He once invited jiddhu krishnamurti to speak on his house boat and when krushnamurti arrived alan was drunk as a skunk .haha

He died early at age 58 . A really interesting Englishman and popularized eastern mysticism during and after the beat generation.

 

I was raised up in the southern baptist church that reminds me of the hell fire and brimstone beliefs of billy graham .

These people tried to scare you into heaven! Didnt work on me. As a late teen I questioned the existence of such a god . Just didnt seem worthy to be the creator of this vast universe. He was too flaky and demanded more of man than he was in morality

And I was supposed to love and worship such a god?

After spending time in college learning about the various world religions of course I was logically driven into agnosticism and remain so.

I hope there is a loving creator and eternal life at day's end. I have tried to live a selfless moral life not because god demands it but because it is just decent behavior. And if one lives in that manner I have found it promotes order over chaos.

I figure a genuine creator of love would never have depended upon any book to transmit Truth. Too easy for man to corrupt and clearly god isnt riding shotgun over that book created by man .
While aagnostic my intuition tends to tell me an intelligence is involved in creation but it cant be the god revealed by the OT. He is too much like an imperfect angry hateful man .

I figure if god exists he cannot be grasped and understood by man. No more than an ant understanding physics .

 

Imo fundamentalism was a creation of lower iq people. The literal interpretation of the bible. So much so some sects started handling venomous snakes and drinking poison to test their faith publicly as to show others

Those sects never had huge congregations because they killed themselves off! Yet these sects live on in small groups in parts of the south.

The ego gratifies itself in some weird ways. Even risking its own existence .

 

The Supreme Being is not likely to be so seriously flawed. The human concepts of the disposition of Him are the source of the flaws. However, a number of aspects that seem contradictory or objectionable from the human point of view can be reconciled by looking at things from God's viewpoint as grower/producer/harvester of qualified souls.

Rev 14:8 Babylon is fallen...because she made all nations drink the wine of the wrath of her fornication.

14:9 … And the third angel followed... saying... If any man worship the beast... 14:10 The same shall drink the wine of the wrath of God...14:14...upon the cloud sat one like unto the Son of man, having... in his hand a sharp sickle.

14:15 And another angel came out...crying...Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and reap; for the time has come...for the harvest of the earth is ripe. 14:16 And he that sat on the cloud... thrust in his sickle...and the earth was reaped.

14:17 And another angel came out of … heaven, he also having a sharp sickle. 14:18 And another angel came out...and cried... to him that had the sharp sickle...Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe.

14:19 And the angel... cast it [the vine of the earth] into the great wine-press of the Wrath of God. 14: 20...and blood came out of the wine-press....

The "song" referred to in 14:1-3 is that of the chosen 144,000 which is the curved speed of light in minutes of arc, which takes 6.66 seconds to circle the earth.

As it says, that song was for those redeemed from among men, from the earth, not defiled by women, for they are virgins...the first fruits...without fault...[IAW noncorporeal oversouls?]

 

To some degree..... all of the major concepts of Roman Catholicism...... were affected by near death experience accounts or other spiritual experiences of Roman Catholics over these last eighteen centuries?????

 

Now here is a way to turn around what looks like bad news... into really good news!

http://cjccf.org/multiple-mortal-probations/

 

This may help some of you to better understand why I am such a truly weird person........
I plead guilty....
I am really weird........


http://www.politicalforum.com/index...g-christianity.501009/page-33#post-1072460112