Could There Already Be There An Indictment Under Seal for Trump?

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  1. HumbledPi

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    Last week the fifth floor of the courthouse was shut down to all reporters. Mueller's lawyers met with Trump lawyers in front of a judge and they appeared to be in a dispute over something that has since been sealed by the judge. This meeting would be the second meeting the attorneys appeared to argue this document. It's not an ordinary issue between the these lawyers, it is speculated that it's either a subpoena for Trump to appear to give testimony or it's an indictment that has been sealed and will be reopened once Trump leaves office.

    https://www.politico.com/story/2018/12/14/mystery-mueller-subpoena-fight-1065409

    Yesterday on Fox News, Judge Napolitano was with Shepard Smith. Judge Napolitano again stated that this document may be an indictment under seal for Donald Trump filed now so that when Trump's term is up the document will be there as filed before the statute of limitations for the crime of conspiracy or collusion before the statute of limitations expires.

     
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    opion8d Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    FOX is getting jittery about Trump.
     
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    They are laying the ground work now so that they aren't still the full blown 'cheerleader' when it all finally blows up.
     
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    If true, I can't think of a better way to ensure Trump runs again in 2020.

    Why would they do that?
     
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    Does anyone really think Trump is going to be prosecuted and sent to prison, either now or in the future? Once he leaves office the left won't care about him any more because they'll be focusing on his replacement who I'm sure they already have tons of evidence of his racism, sexism, homophobia and treason - all they have to do is figure out who it will be and then pin it on him.
     
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    Right. Because the individuals in question have done Nothing wrong. Unimpeachable character. It's allllllll a LW conspiracy.

    Take off the tin-foil for once dude. There are crappy people on both side of the Isle.

    And Trump is fubar-ed. Probably not while in office, but definitely once out of office.
     
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    I am fairly sure they have. I noticed that they stopped calling him "unindicted co-conspirator" and now refer to him as "Individual 1".
     
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    You don't launch investigations against people looking for a crime. You don't ignore crimes and treat others with "kid gloves" based on politics. The double standard and lack of justice is exactly why this country elected Trump. A lot of people in the government disagree and want to see him burn. So they are going after him with everything they have. It's very bad for the country.
     
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    Specifically because he might run for office in 2020 and thus the statute of limitations would expire before he theoretically left office.
     
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    These investigations are not controlled by or launched by the left regardless of whatever conspiracy theorist told you otherwise. The Prosecutors and investigators in charge of these investigations have every incentive to ensure that Trump spends the rest of his life in jail because of the sheer effort that he has undertaken to damage and destroy the various pillars of our country.
     
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    This kind of hyperbole is just annoying. What has trump done to damage the country? The only ones who have damaged this country is the insanity of the left. They have gone berserk because Hillary list. Trump hasn't done anything to damage the foundation of the US, in fact he strengthened it by reversing Obamas unconstitutional executive orders.
     
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    Some people believe Trump is hurting the country. Fivethirtyeight posted today this years ongoing disillusion of America with its President.

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    There are a thousand reasons why because you can't meet with the judge ex parte. It's more likely a hearing to shut down the Mueller team because its a frivolous case. They have no case, no evidence, no witnesses, and are only playing to the media. How many times has the left speculated on Trump to get egg on their faces every single time?

    Dealing with the left is like dealing with daycare children. They have run to the courts so many times with falsified information that no judge is going to stick their necks out for any of them or take their word for anything. If Mueller had anything on Trump, is their anyone stupid enough to think the Democrats wouldn't be blasting it to the world. Mueller isn't running an investigation to go after Trump after an election, he is on task to crucify Trump to stop him in his tracks, get him impeached, or at the very least have information to stop him from getting elected.

    I hate to be the bearer of bad news for all the TDS mobs out there but Mueller can't make Trump testify. If Trump is the defendant in a case against him he has the right to remain silent and they can't make him testify against himself.
     
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    The man routinely attacks the press, the judiciary, congress, and top law enforcement agencies in the country. And that is just domestic. I could also reference his attacks on our allies, support for foreign adversaries, and demolition of longstanding treaties.

    You want to see the damage that trump has done to this country? I would illustrate one example by asking you two simple questions: What is your opinion of the FBI and the CIA? How does your opinion of those agencies compare to the time period before the systematic attacks launched by Trump against those law enforcement agencies? If you are like most republicans, then your opinion of those top US law enforcement agencies has decreased significantly over the last two years.

    Trump has, in the last two years, compared them to Nazi Germany, praised individuals that did not cooperate with the various investigations, and most recently made the accusation that validly issued search warrants against individuals who committed multiple felonies were improperly obtained.
     
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    It is not at all "likely" an attempt "to shut down the Mueller team . . ."
     
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    If Trump has reached the point of pleading the fifth in any case, then he has already lost.

    And seriously, how the **** do you think you can claim that Mueller has no case, no evidence, or no witnesses when the man has produced multiple felony convictions, dozens of indictments, hundreds of charges, and millions in dollars of seized assets from convicted felons?
     
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    no, they would wait till all ducks in a row before that happened, no mater how damning the evidence looks, they would not want to jump the gun
     
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    if Trump is guilty and runs out of options like Nixon did, what would he have to lose, I think trump will try to do it, he already is by firing Session's imo, he is trying to influence it and if that fails he will try to shut it down
     
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    Except that the only people saying that they are 'ignoring crimes' are those who support Trump. The Republicans held total control over all 3 branches of Govt for 2 years. Had all the opportunity in the world to 'investigate'. Yet did not do so. Maybe that's because there aren't any actual crimes, and it's just easier to yell about them on Fox and to Con-Media so as to enrage the base supporters, so as to entrench the mindset in time for elections.
     
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    Every day for the last 2 years you guys breathlessly proclaim his imminent demise, while President Trump gets his re-election team ready.
     
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    Push him harder to win in 2020 in case he wins in 2020?

    But why file now? Why not file the day of the election so it doesnt push him harder to win or maybe even he doesnt run (if some of the rumors to that effect have any validity).
     
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    We have a slew of campaign, transition and administration individuals that have either been indicted, convicted and even locked up and have been proven to have colluded with Russia. You're really taking the opinion that indicting them and seeking justice is "bad for the country"?

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    Keep living in your isolated brain bubble, it's not going to help keep Trump out of trouble. He did it all himself by being greedy.
     
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    WTF?

    Your beloved BLOTUS can't even keep his failing regime fully staffed so where is this imaginary "re-election team" coming from?

    Why doesn't he recruit them to take care of his current staffing shortfall?
     
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