Could this UFO have been Made in America?

I have talked with a fair number of physicists about this privately. Most won't discuss it publicly. One interesting observation made is that UFOs are more likely vessels for time travelers than alien spaceships. This is based on Occam's Razor, loosely being that the simplest explanation tends to be correct. Specifically, entities should not be multiplied without necessity - don't create aliens if you don't need too.

If ET is here, they almost certainly required faster than light [FTL] travel; or as Hynek suspected near the end of this life, transdimensional travel. FTL travel is intimately connected to time travel. But with time travel, you don't have the problem of travelling vast distances or finding us in the first place. Time travelers have motive and an interest in us. So it could explain why they are here. Alien would presumably be required to expend a great deal of energy to get here. So one wonders what would justify such an effort and why they would keep coming back for thousands of years. It might also explain why so many alien reports describe them as looking human. In short, time travel is a simpler explanation for UFOs than the ET hypothesis. The physics may be no more difficult. So time travel is the most likely explanation of the two.

 

That's an interesting analysis but it begs the question of WHY would Time Travelers come here? What could we be offering them, particularly since they actually ARE us? Starfarers would be looking for the same thing any explorer is, knowledge, wealth and are Earth girls really that easy?

 

Observation, changing the timeline, preventing disaster, modifying the race... or perhaps just historians. Honestly, some claimed observations up close almost sound like tourist ships. They claim to see many "aliens" staring at them through large windows.

What do you suppose someone like Bill Gates might be willing to pay if he could go back and observe Socrates in action, or watch the civil war, or just observe ancient humans?

Or maybe they are just here to steal our natural resources in some fashion.

 

Or maybe it's unintentional. Transdimensional movement might have time travel as an accident

 

The people taking video wouldn't have to be organized in the first place. If you create a spectacle, people will naturally grab their phones, record a video and post it on YouTube. Organizing people around a cause is not necessary.

 

After the 1:20:00 minute mark in this video is an explanation for this that is really strange...... but logical..... and it sure can assist people on very different paths politically to begin to understand each other better.

 

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I'm not going to watch an hour of some religious video. But you could just explain the point yourself.

 

You might prefer this one... it is about Operation Paperclip where sixteen hundred German scientists were taken to America after WWII.



Annie Jacobsen, "Operation Paperclip"

 

First, I would suggest you go to Youtube & watch the original videos there, for more clarity. The thing that disqualifies any notion of this craft being a drone, is its exit. It goes from hovering almost motionless over the Temple Mount to suddenly going vertical at a fantastic speed unheard of for any man made object. For any known human craft, the acceleration alone would have killed anyone inside. The fact that the craft was there & is visible to anyone willing to look, proves its existence. The fact that it flew in ways both unheard of for any human craft plus deadly to any passengers or crew based on simple laws of physics, leaves no alternative explanation other than it was extraterrestrial in origin.

 

~Or~ that it is fake.

 

There are two issues that force me to think it is real. One is that several independent sources filmed it; they didn't know each other, & all of them show the same events happening exactly the same way. Another is the flash of light that the craft emitted that lighted up the buildings below it just before it took off vertically at hypersonic speeds. I've looked at the way that light hit the buildings, & feel the complexity of faking that in any convincing way would be beyond the capabilities of any but the most advanced videographers. And, those who actually filmed these scenes were certainly not professionals. If anyone out there can show me (or Youtube viewers) how this could be faked by five separate parties from different countries who didn't know each other, then I'm certainly open to that discussion. But I don't see that evidence now. Those personally opposed to the idea of ETs being here, can & will spread the unfounded rumor that the Youtube videos are faked. I've seen those accusations made, but I've seen no convincing evidence to back them up.

 

I also find the footage convincing, but extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.....it will simply require more for me.

 

I suggest looking at the recent U.S. Navy video releases of the "Tic-Tac" UFO intercepts off the California coast, & the Gaia videos on research pertaining to the new Nazca Mummies found in Peru. The naysayers are already there, claiming hoax, but the evidence totally negates that claim.

 

I am well aware of the "Ancient Aliens" mentality and find it rather annoying, I am also aware of and can appreciate the slow but steady release of U.S military documentation. Likely we will see much more and eventually hear truth as more and more documented civilian sightings come to light. I nevertheless do not accept data until it can be verified by multiple sources.

 

The Nazca Mummies aren't necessarily evidence in support of "Ancient Aliens" the way you say it, but it's definite proof that there were ETs in Peru between 700 & 1200 years ago. Whether they were living there or were found by the locals after a deadly crash & buried in that cave, is unknown. But the fact that they exist is proof that ETs have visited Earth in past centuries. The Tic-Tac video is proof they're still here. Crop circles are another proof they are here, since no one can make crop circles the way they do--& they aren't simply mashed down grasses or grains.

 

There HASN'T been a reduction in sightings; they've just lost a bit of their novelty & so are getting less media attention. I was a little hesitant to post this, as a new member here, especially, since it might brand me a UFO- believer ( &, hence, having no intelligent opinion on anything ). So if you, or anyone else reading this, is doubtful of the phenomena yet exceptional enough to maintain an open mind, I'll point you to the Wall Street Journal ( which tends to be believed, correctly or not, by those who profess to be rational ) on the fleet of triangular craft that were seen by millions, over a period of weeks, in broad daylight, in the Netherlands in the 1990's; I think that article might also mention a similarly sizable phenomenon over Mexico City. And for those who eschew taking stands when their topical info is sparse, but don't want to waste seemingly endless hours down rabbit-holes, I recommend the limited-episode series by Luis Elizando, former director of the (then top secret, but now admitted) U.S. Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP), called, "UNIDENTIFIED."

 

Thank you for this!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luis_Elizondo



THE MEDIA LOVES THIS UFO EXPERT WHO SAYS HE WORKED FOR AN OBSCURE PENTAGON PROGRAM. DID HE?

Keith Kloor

June 1 2019, 8:00 a.m.




Glowing Auras and ‘Black Money’: The Pentagon’s Mysterious U.F.O. Program

 

I was a skeptic (non-believer) too, for most of my life. But in about 2015 or so, I actually saw one myself, & I couldn't come up with any rational explanation for it other than ET. Since then, I have seen 2 or 3 more that were less overwhelming than that first one, but still quite baffling in terms of explanation. A little open minded research will reveal to anyone, there's a vast amount of evidence out there supporting the presence of UFOs that do things no human device is capable of doing. You can choose to ignore that evidence or you can become intrigued by it & open doors to new possibilities. It's your choice.

 

They the aliens refused to share their technology and knowledge because of Trump's vetting procedure. That is probably German made.

 

I've experienced mix-ups w/ the PoliticalForum's system myself, so I want to check to see if your response was actually to me. If so, am I misreading the, " was a SKEPTIC...TOO..." and the, " YOU can choose to IGNORE that evidence..." in thinking that you seem to not realize from my post (which clearly advocates for the reality of alien spacecrafts in our skies, pointing the previous poster to a reputable newspaper article & a tv series by a former insider running a government program on said crafts) that I HAD found the ET evidence surpassing the threshhold for reasonable doubt? I'm pretty much assuming that, though your reply quotes my post, either you must have been trying to reply to someone else, or else I'm badly misreading your post.

I, by the way, never have seen a UFO, myself. There was 1 time, long after I'd already been convinced by the evidence, I saw what I thought was one, but I accepted the explanation I was given by someone to whom I described it, that I'd actually seen a low-flying satellite. I'd be most interested, however, in hearing about your own experiences ( in a private conversation, if you'd prefer).

 

Based on several of your posts that I've read & enjoyed, you & I seem to have world views that share a lot of common ground. I would enjoy continuing the dialogue with you on these & other topics, & look forward to that possibility. I've never used the "private" conversation system on this forum, so can't evaluate the advantages there. Sorry. But I'm certainly open to the idea & willing to learn.

In response to your interest in my personal experience with UFOs, I'm quoting a former post of mine, submitted May 7, 2019, under the Science heading & for a thread called, "Extra-Terrestrials. . .Good or Bad (Post #262), which read:

"Speaking as one who loves science, and who doubted the reality of UFOs for years, I finally experienced seeing one (actually 4) in one single night. I was with three other adults, who all saw the same thing I saw. One UFO was starlike, but stationary in a starfield when looking thru binoculars. It didn't move for about 20 minutes, but did return lazer light flashes to us when we flashed it in three evenly spaced dots. This happened several times in that 20 minutes before it slowly faded from sight. Later that night two moving starlike lights converged over our heads from different directions in the sky. They came very close to one another & at the closest point, one light dropped a second light from itself. That new light moved beneath the mother ship a short distance for a few seconds, then from a frozen still, stopped position, suddenly whisked from over our heads toward & past the distant horizon within about 1 second. All four of us saw it happen. All of us let out loud exclamations when it occurred. That event convinced me of the reality of UFOs & knowing we humans have no craft capable of such maneuvers, forced me to concede the reality that ETs are here, now."

I should probably note that I've been an amateur astronomer since I was about 12 years old. That was several decades ago. Although I'm not as involved now as I was when I was younger, I still know most of the major constellations & brighter stars. I have an app on my iPhone that shows the sky & paths of known satellites that pass overhead with their time of passage, so I can determine whether any moving object is or is not a satellite. I don't assume the app is perfect though. Ufology has become a major interest for me since the sighting mentioned above, but I am very careful in evaluating what I see.

We can discuss this, or a variety of other topics of common interest. I would enjoy that. If you prefer the "private" conversation route, I'm fine with that, but you'll have to allow me to learn to use it correctly. Thank you for your interest.

 

I only suggested the private conversation, " if you prefer, " because I didn't know if you might be reticent to share the details of your encounters w/ a wide audience; I commend your openness because, we both are aware, the majority of people prefer their heads to be in the sand on this topic, & often react w/ insulting dismissiveness, or worse, towards those who broach the topic.

The option to start a conversation w/ only one, or a limited # of people, makes sense when the thing discussed would presumably not be of general interest, something of concern primarily only to those involved. But that's not the case, here.

I don't have time to chat now, but we'll continue this, soon.

 

Hysteria subsides over time.

 

Do you have any proof they aren't just mashed down grasses?

I know guys who can easily make chalk drawings of immense complexity and great size using just a piece of chalk and a string along with a straightedge. It's called building layout and has been known since antiquity, possibly in use on the Pyramids.

They had these 2 guys on tv showing exactly how they made crop circles and it was pretty much the same methods with adaptations

 

Maybe, but something had to be there to cause the hysteria in the first place.