COVID 19 killed Trump's reelection chances, now how does Biden win?

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  1. Balto

    Balto Well-Known Member

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    We all remember the tantrum Bernie supporters threw in 2016. Some went as far as voting for Trump as a form of rebellion. I supported Bernie then and in this election cycle. But now its time for Democrats, moderates and progressives alike,, to come together for the good of the nation. After all, the revolution Bernie gave us cannot obtain rocket fuel if Republicans control Washington. The question becomes, "How do we get Joe Biden elected?" So yes, this is a thread of how to get Joe Biden elected as the 46th POTUS. come November.

    We are back where we were in 2016. Let's go through a short list how things are different this time around:
    - Biden isn't viciously hated by both Republicans and Independents, even by some Democrats, like Hillary Clinton was
    - Biden has legislative accomplishments, or in other words, a proven track record
    - The explosive "socialist" baggage isn't there for Trump to exploit
    - Sanders' outing comes earlier than it did in 2016, allowing Biden to beef up his campaign and gather support
    - We now understand the look and feel of a misinformation campaign on social media, by bots both foreign and domestic
    - Generation Z was not of age to vote in 2016, but now they are. Combined with millennial, they will outnumber baby boomers who make up most of Trump's base

    Additionally, the hunger isn't there this time around for an "outsider." Or someone with a disruptive bedside manor. 2018 was indicative of this. Counties that went for Trump went back to Democrats, showing signs of voters fatigue for such outlandish behavior. Battlefield states like Pennsylvania and Michigan became more Democratic. Biden is in the best position to win. COVID-19 may have gifted Democrats the political advantage they have been waiting for.

    That, coupled with Trump's admittance that Republicans would not have power if absentee voting is allowed to continue, is indicative the GOP is in a fragile condition.
     
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    First one must ask, "Can the leftist-allied mainstream media and their DNC masters successfully hide from political independents the fact that Joe Biden is suffering from dementia?" I suggest that over the course of what is going to be vigorous campaigning by Trump, that the answer to that is 'no'. So next you have to ask, "After the average independent becomes fully aware that the DNC and their MSM are trying to prop up someone that's severely mentally impaired, can they be convinced to vote for Joe Biden anyway due to the avalanche of expected Orange Man EVIL political propaganda to be endlessly dumped on the nation's head between now and election week?

    The problem with the political Left always depending on political propaganda to carry their water for them is that it only seems to work about fifty percent of the time . . . else Trump would never have gotten elected in the first place.

    Personally I think that no matter what the DNC and their MSM try it's going to become obvious even to the average indoctrinated Dem Party voter between now and election week that Joe simply is not mentally up for becoming president.
     
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    The crooked senile rapist joe30330 will be replaced shortly before the virtual coven of evil after a "sudden" health issue upon which he'll bow out for "the good of the party."
     
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    Joe didn't have a chance prior to the Rona, and the President excellent leadership through this...now he certainly doesn't. Moreover, it sounds like Bernie is keeping his delegates and will continue to an outspoken thorn in his side pushing his lefter and lefter
     
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    The "evidence" Biden is suffering from dementia I've noted have come from selected clips by media on the right, where Biden was drawing a blank (like we all do, its human). The biggest difference between Biden and Trump is Biden can speak in complete sentences, versus Trump's broken, often incomplete, sentences when he is not running off a speech written by his staff such as the Coronavirus responses. I would be much more concerned about Trump's obesity then trying to play doctor, and diagnose Biden with dementia. I have watched Biden's speeches and I can tell you the man is mentally sound. I'd say your second question is similar in nature to your first. Unless you can point to any documented medical evidence Biden has been diagnosed with dementia, it comes back as a empty political attack. If I can see through it, I'm sure the independents you put in question will be able to see through it as well.

    The disgust with Democrats isn't there like it was in 2016. That was what was working in Trump's favor aside from a heavily flawed candidate. Biden isn't a heavily flawed candidate, otherwise we wouldn't be trying to diagnose Biden the way we are.
     
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    So . . . going with the, "Of course the DNC and MSM can successfully conceal from the entire nation the fact that Joe Biden has mentally lost it." Well, good luck with that approach.
     
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    Excellent leadership? Public approval of how Trump has dealt with COVID-19 has cratered. At one point, you were correct. The public did approve of how Trump handled this virus, but Anthony Fauci has higher approval than Trump does in states like Florida. After all, its been Fauci's advice Trump has ran off of to combat this pandemic. There's various articles on how Trump downplayed the virus into March, but the CDC and the WHO weren't quick to react either.
     
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    It's amazing to watch the lefties see their horse trip and fall over and over, and still think they have a winner, while the lead horse is like- lapping them.
    Trump's performance during this crisis has erased any question of his re-election. Joe's has put him where he needs to stay- in his basement, sending out babble massages and cries for support.

    How can any person of any party choose to run a proven loser because of political hatred for a proven winner? You have to live with the results like everyone else. If the left could have a separate government to run as their own that did not interfere with the rest of the world- I'd give them Joe in a heartbeat. When you can't learn any other way, crashing and burning because of your own miserable choices might get through to them.
     
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    I simply asked for any medically based evidence Biden is suffering from dementia, I'm not looking for conspiracies how the media might do this or might do that. Otherwise, as I said before, the idea Biden suffers from dementia is simply playing politics.
     
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    Of course he does....he's Trump's point man on this, and the face of the response. That's like saying Phil Jackson had lower approval numbers then Jordan....true...but people still realize who's leading the ship.

    and yes, Trump is listening to his point man...again that's what leadership is all about
     
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    Produce proof of something that the DNC and MSM are conspiring to conceal? Hahahahaha! The non politically indoctrinated can see it and hear it whenever Biden addresses the nation. Hell, there are even leftist journalists daring now to point out the obvious. Of course in fear of retribution from their own side they are being diffident, but they are doing it.

    How shocked will some of our politically indoctrinated Dem Party loyalists be when finally it becomes so obvious that even they can no longer believe what the MSM and DNC are trying to sell to them? They shouldn't be shocked since they are being told about it by clear thinkers many, many months in advance; but still vast numbers of them will manage to have been blind-sided by . . . the . . . truth.
     
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    The medical and scientific community is what has driven Trump's performance in this crisis, including the idea of hydrochloroquine. It's people like Anthony Fauci we will have to thank, not necessarily Trump, if the country reopens sooner than later. I suspect that will be something Trump will attempt to use. " saved the country from COVID-19" when the people who have really saved Americans have been average men and women in Hazmat suits and in laboratories racing to develop a vaccine. Those are the people leading us out of this crisis, not Trump. But it will be spun as a win for Trump, at least that is the prediction.

    We both know the reality of what economy Americans will be dealing with this fall. It won't be anything like 2017 or 2018. If anything, Trump will be running off a campaign similar to Obama's "Hope and Change" in 2008. Hope somehow Trump will make 2021 and 2022 look like 2017 and 2018. I can point to Biden's signature legislative accomplishments like the "Violence Against Women" act as to how Biden isn't a "proven loser." Biden has worked across the aisle, which will be important with a Republican Senate. Hope only works so far, and at one point it waters down to simply being an emotional plea to rationalize electing someone.
     
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    Now that leads to the question of who deserves the most credit? Trump or Fauci? We're forgetting how much people will be suffering economically. The stimulus aid is simply a band aid to try slowing down the amount of economic bleeding. It's similar to the same economic stimulus Obama tried. Except now we're going to have to bail out Delta and United instead of Chrysler and General Motors.
     
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    The chronic inability to learn meaningful lessons from their glaringly obvious mistakes seems to be genetic with vast numbers of them . . . and perhaps explains why they are leftists to begin with. The lessons of history? Ignore or rationalize them so that they seem to mean what one wants them to mean. So forth and so on. They commit the same political errors during each election cycle and somehow expect different results.
     
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    As long as that yarn helps you sleep and make it through the day(s) then God love you ;) But if I were so desperate to see a "D" in the win column that I'd support a brain dead relic like Stroke'n Joe-Joe, then I'd build an underground bunker " Leftist ultimate Safe Place" and live out the rest of my life in shame ;)
     
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    The polls indicate that Biden would beat Trump. However, that is primarily based name recognition for Biden and the intense hate by people on the left for Trump. By the time the election rolls around, it is likely that name recognition for Biden will turn into recognition of his flaws. The hate for Trump by the left is not apt to change.

    The 2020 election will be similar to the 2016 election. Biden is likely the only democratic candidate that Trump can beat and Trump is likely the only republican that Biden can beat. At this time it is a toss up, but the edge is still with Trump because of Biden's weaknesses. What little edge Trump has lost because of the virus is likely made up by Biden's senility. It use the word "senility" for lack of a better word to describe is lapses.

    Anyone who believes they know who will win this election is only fooling themselves.
     
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    However Fauci has been all over the place. Two days apart, he's talking about the lockdown needing to go on for 18 months or more, and- there's good news, we are rapidly gaining control.
    You can point to Bidens legislative accomplishments, but do you point to his blunders and use of his position to enrich his family? Of course not.

    The left has long since made their perspective clear- anything good can't be Trump's work, and anything bad must be. I agree that Trump will not create a vaccine, and or course that isn't the job of leadership. His job is to keep the wheels on the track, and help maintain conditions where the science efforts can have every advantage. His job is also to sort out the thousands of people insisting things be done their way and that we believe their view, to keep the approach we do use on the best possible track. It would take a very self-centered and egotistical person to think that this was easy to do- and that very few men could stand the pressure of that position and keep his head cool. That happens to be one of Trump's greatest assets, the ability to be cool under fire, stay focused and fully in the game. Makes no difference that some would do it differently- most of the complainers wouldn't last a day in Trump's shoes. Biden would be one of them.
     
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    Desperation leads to delusion!
     
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    COVID-19 has been exposed as the CCP/DP Pandemic.
    DP leaders just can't keep a secret.

    "Democrats, as exemplified by Bill Maher, host of the HBO show Real Time, said he is "hoping" for the economy to crash and the country to enter a recession so we can "get rid of Trump." Maher said, "Can I ask about the economy because this economy is going pretty well? I feel like the bottom has to fall out at some point. And by the way, I'm hoping for it. Because I think one way you get rid of Trump is a crashing economy. So, please, bring on the recession. Sorry if that hurts people, but it's either root for a recession or you lose your democracy."
    FORBES, EDITORS' PICK, How The Political Climate And A Black Swan Event May Put The Job Market At Risk, By Jack Kelly Senior Contributor, Mar 9, 2020.
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackke...d-our-jobs-and-savings-in-peril/#3896e85e47bf
     
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    Fauci has become a slow learner.

    "It isn't something the American public needs to worry about or be frightened about, because we have ways of preparing and screening of people coming in [from China]," National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) Director Anthony Fauci told "The Cats Roundtable" on 970 AM-N.Y., per The Hill."
    NEWSMAX, NIH Expert Fauci: Coronavirus 'No Worry' for Americans, By Eric Mack, 26 January 2020.
    https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/virus-outbreak-infectious-disease/2020/01/26/id/951325/
     
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    I think once the debates start between the two men, there will be a huge swing in Trumps favor.. Joe-Joe is libel to stroke out under Trumps relentless Trolling :) I wouldn't be surprised if Boss Hog doesn't incite Joey to the point of aggression, a common symptom of people in the early stages of Alzheimer's :)

    He has already demonstrated this with many people in the public arena ;)
     
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    Maher is sux up.. On occasion he will speak well of the Republican party, but soon as his audience starts to suffer he ramps up insanity again to appease his viewer.. He is the single reason I no longer and haven't for years purchased HOBO or SinaMax :)

    But its always amusing to hear wealthy talk show host talk about total collapse when they drive a 80k car and a couple million in the bank WHILE the brain dead followers sit and watch and cheer with $50 in their pockets till welfare check or paycheck.. It's the epitomy of stupid, ignorance and self destruction SMFH
     
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    Hillary by a landslide.
     
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    There won't be an election. That takes care of that.
     
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    I tend to lean that way myself..
     

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