COVID-19 Research, Drug trials and Pathophysiology

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  1. LangleyMan

    LangleyMan Well-Known Member

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    They're at risk.
     
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    CenterField Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I would be going crazy at this time if my children were under 12. Fortunately they're young adults and they are both fully vaccinated.
     
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    Jack Hays Well-Known Member Donor

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    Life is risky.
     
  4. LangleyMan

    LangleyMan Well-Known Member

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    Grandson Cole is 14 and has both his shots. Mom and Dad made sure Cole got his jabs the first day he was eligible.
     
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    So don't protect yourself against getting covid? So don't protect kids?
     
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    CenterField Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    People should also do away with seat belts. Life is risky, why protect oneself, right? After all, the notoriety that will come from earning the Darwin Award is something to behold. Humankind's genetic gene pool says thanks.
     
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    I remember when the state of Wisconsin made seatbelts a requirement in the early 1960s. GM testified against seatbelts claiming they might cut you in half in an accident.

    A lot of Americans alive today because of seatbelts...

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    Yep, seatbelts will cut you in half and vaccines will kill ya. Best to stay away from these nasty, dangerous things and happily earn your Darwin Award by dying of a car crash or Covid-19. Or both. You can have Covid-19 and die of a car crash during your trip to the ER.
     
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    We've been vaccinated and will get boosters if that's recommended. Vaccinate the children when that's recommended.
     
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    That's because it's bait.
     
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    Even if they don't recommend it if you've been vaccinated you should get the booster.

    They most definitely will make one.
     
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    Meanwhile, protect them by forcing everyone involved with them to be vaccinated and continue with masks.
     
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    While I'm not ready to exempt the Chinese of responsibility and I actually believe that there are some concerning signs (some of which you were the one bringing to my attention), I'd just remind you that acting guilty and being guilty are two vastly different states, like any good police procedural will tell you. People anxiously act guilty all the time even when they aren't.
     
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    We shall see.
     
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    Just during the flu pandemic in 2019, 434 children died. Any child with medical complications will get caught up in any kind of flu or SARS virus. But the good news is, over 4.5 million kids already had Covid with more likely infected, and its been determined that individuals who have had Covid, have better immunity than those who have had the vaccine.
     
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    Because China us under an authoritarian rule and even if it is just an innocent stuff up (that is where my money is ) yo do not admit it or your life will become a living hell
     
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    And Delta seems to be hitting the kids harder

    https://www.mja.com.au/journal/2021/215/5/covid-19-children-time-new-strategy
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-06/children-need-covid-protection-vaccines-experts-say/100269228
    https://www.npr.org/2021/08/23/1030430471/how-the-delta-variant-affects-children
     
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    You do realize they have over 800 children with inflammation of hearts and heart valves from the vaccine. Right?
    Those are not reversible problems. Not to mention the dozens where parents have come forward where their children have lost all control over their nervous system.
    They are under investigation with the CDC right now.
     
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    Compared to how many from the virus

    How long does that heart inflammation post vaccination last compared to the inflammation post infection?
    https://www.health.gov.au/sites/def...ricarditis-after-mrna-covid-19-vaccines_1.pdf
     
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    Heres really good news
    Having SARS-CoV-2 once confers much greater immunity than a vaccine
    New released on site studies show the natural immune protection that develops after a SARS-CoV-2 infection offers considerably more of a shield against the Delta variant of the pandemic coronavirus than two doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine

    The study, conducted in one of the most highly COVID-19–vaccinated countries in the world, examined medical records of tens of thousands of Israelis, charting their infections, symptoms, and hospitalizations between 1 June and 14 August, when the Delta variant predominated in Israel. It’s the largest real-world observational study so far to compare natural and vaccine-induced immunity to SARS-CoV-2, according to its leaders

    The new analysis relies on the database of Maccabi Healthcare Services, which enrolls about 2.5 million Israelis. The study, led by Tal Patalon and Sivan Gazit at KSM, the system’s research and innovation arm, found in two analyses that people who were vaccinated in January and February were, in June, July, and the first half of August, six to 13 times more likely to get infected than unvaccinated people who were previously infected with the coronavirus. In one analysis, comparing more than 32,000 people in the health system, the risk of developing symptomatic COVID-19 was 27 times higher among the vaccinated, and the risk of hospitalization eight times higher.

    https://www.sciencemag.org/news/202...greater-immunity-vaccine-no-infection-parties


    Its the biggest reason we were trying to move to herd immunity.
     
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    It would be a big gamble.
    A less effective vaccine with a much higher survival rate, versus getting the disease with a better long term immunity assuming you survive and continue without long term damage.
     
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    That is actually true for a lot of diseases we vaccinate for - the whole purpose of vaccination is simply to “teach” your immune system how to respond so you do not get seriously ill when you do get infected. There is at least one infection though that confers no immunity - tetanus - only the vaccine confers immunity
     
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    This study does not support herd immunity. It even goes on to recommend still having the vaccine even if previously infected.
     
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    It would be compared to how many took the vaccine which is dramatically lower to how many kids were infected. By millions

    These kids were not infected. They took the vaccine. And the gathering of tissues in the valve and heart is not reversible.
     

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