COVID Death Toll Under Biden Set to Surpass Trump, In Less Time

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  1. Steve N

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    Everyone on the left criticized Trump over the china virus, and because it was an election year they also weaponized it. Now that Biden is about to be the president with a higher death count than Trump, where is the left's criticism? We hear all about masks and social distancing, but it was democrat politicians who disregarded their own rules. restrictions and mandates which signaled to us regular folks the whole thing is nothing more than a power grab. And if you doubt that, then just look at how Biden is allowing hundreds of thousands of illegals to flood into this country, many of them untested, unvaccinated and symptomatic, only to be shipped to many different parts of the country.

    Biden has the benefit of the virus being around for more than a year, Trump did not. Trump had to deal with figuring out what the virus was, how it was transmitted, how to treat people who catch it, and how to develop a vaccine. Biden walked into what Trump started and it seems Biden doesn't know what to do even with the year long head start and vaccines being available.

    If the African variant spreads throughout this country it will likely arrive on the backs of illegals. And when the African variant spreads throughout this country, will Biden be criticized to the same degree as Trump was?

    Finally, will CNN resume running the virus death counter on the screen 24/7 like they did when Trump was president?


     
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    I have no doubt that Trump would've handled covid better than Biden. Biden hasn't done anything.... he came in, took vaccine Trump's admin largely helped to produce and distribute in lightening speed and has done nothing. His messaging has been terrible. What politicians don't understand is you don't talk down to people, this makes matters worst. You don't tell unvaccinated people they are dumb, irresponsible, bad people. Many unvaccinated are actually liberals (many are black in inner cities, heck even BLM protestors who stand by Kyrie Irvin) and not just Trumpers (study found it's 50/50 dems/reps). Many are just afraid of vaccine, have already had covid, have certain conditions, pregnant women concerned etc... The way to win these people over is to explain, educate them, respect them. When you talk down at people and treat them like bad people, you alienate them and it doesn't help.

    Then, he has allowed illegals to pour in in record #'s..


    Trump would have WITHOUT A DOUBT handled this better, he didn't have vaccine and had lower death counts than Biden. He would've kept borders secure and people would've actually listening to him more than Biden, no-one listens to Biden... his approval rating was 38% as of recent. LOL he's like a stuttering puppet.

    Trump would've asked people to get vaccinated and it would've made a difference, biden talks and no-one listens
     
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    Didn't read the OP but don't need to. Biden would probably look worse had trump's neglect and attitude not killed so many people. At that, the comparison means nothing. How many people got flu under Clinton versus under Obama? The answer means nothing.
     
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    The death ticker on the screen disappeared the moment Biden swore in. That was just a tool to get Trump out. If Biden had 10x the death toll, CNN wouldn’t care.
     
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    Trump started at 15 going on zero

    Biden started in a full-blown pandemic, that was turned political by Trump

    easier to address a virus early on, once it's out there, hard to rein it back in

    all ya can do is tell the public, if they refuse to take steps to slow the spread, no way to stop it
     
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    Biden is nowhere near Tramp's over 600,000 death count!
     
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    ".... turned political by Trump"??????? :roflol:
     
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    Trump was trying to play it down, telling people to pack the churches, ect...
     
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    Your post is a perfect illustration of the lefts hypocrisy on this subject.

    In one sense, you acknowledge that how many people catch a virus under a President means nothing, yet with Trump, it was his neglect that led to the deaths (according to your twisted logic). The reality that there have been more deaths under Biden, despite the fact that Biden has had a vaccine his entire tenure, entirely dispels the myth that Trump caused those deaths but you are still bogusly blaming him.

    What is sad is that you sincerely believe this nonsense.
     
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    Trump should have let the experts handle it, not made it political

    Trump got jealous that his task force was getting more attention than he was
     
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    This thread does not ask for your generic opinion in the absence of data. It calls for your opinion based specifically on the data presented.

    There has been more deaths under Biden than under Trump despite the reality that during Trump they had no idea how to treat this virus and they did not have a vaccine. Conversely, they have vastly improved treatment protocols and a vaccine during all of Bidens tenure. In no manner, shape, or form does this indicate that Trump handled the virus more poorly than Biden. If anything, it tends to indicate just the opposite if one wants to get into the concept of blaming Covid outcomes on a President.

    Did you want to comment on this data based reality?
     
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    Pure HOGWASH!
     
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    As convincing of an argument that you seemingly think exclaiming "hogwash" to be, you are going to need to explain yourself a bit further if you want to be taken seriously.

    If it has not quite surpassed as explaing in the OP, it will very soon. This has been widely reported virtually everywhere. What are you claiming to be hogwash?

    If you want the data, you can find it here.
    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
     
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    Where we are today is entirely Trump's fault.(Mainly because of his personality.)

    In Feb 2020 when Trump learned how deadly this thing could get.
    If Trump came out and said something along the lines of...

    "Hey everybody. This COVID thing is real dangerous and deadly.
    We all need to do whatever we need to do, to put an end to this thing.
    Social distancing, washing your hands, Listening to the scientist.
    Sometime we may have to have lockdowns.
    And for God's sake wear a mask, so we can put a stop to this thing.

    And listen to the scientist. If you have any questions direct them to them."


    And then never had another COVID press conference again. Just pointed to the
    scientist.
    Had Trump done this, he would have been re-elected by a landslide in 2020.
    Nowhere near as many people who have died, would have died.
    And the reason why, would have been because all the Republican governors would have put
    mask mandates in place. And every Trump supporter would have followed it.
    More so, Trump would have sold 74 million MAGA facemasks at $10 a pop to
    every single one of them.

    And the Rest of the world who are currently resisting everything, would have
    gone along with this also.
    And Delta most likely would never have existed.
     
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    You have just basically stated the lefts argument on this subject since 2020. We now have direct data comparing the 2 Presidents results, and they seem to indicate that Biden has performed more poorly ( or at least just as bad) despite having a vaccine and drastically improved treatment protocols when he took office that would have led one to expect far superior results.

    Did you want to update your opinion now that we actually have data on the subject?
     
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    Why don’t you just say: I hate Trump therefore it’s his fault.
     
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    Only by FAKE NEWS! Which is why it is pure HOGWASH.
    The numbers from your own link:
    there were 429,874 dead the day Tramp left office and 8,832,292 active cases with a 2% death rate which adds 176,646 more deaths to Tramp's total giving him a grand total of 606,520 deaths under his watch and not counting the anti-vaxers who have died under his influence since.
     
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    And Democrats were playing it down and packing Chinatown. And they were ignoring their own rules to get haircuts, eat dinner with family, shoot movies while shutting down other businesses, travel and go on vacations…Oh you forget???
     
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    LOL.... So if we are going to use that nonsensical logic from some god forsaken leftist blog no doubt, there are currently 9.4 million people infected and we need to add those upcoming deaths to the same total? This sort of evens itself out if one wants tp play that silly game.

    You are funny.

    At any rate, the bottom line with all of this is that they are essentially equal and I truly do not care who leads or loses slightly.. With there being a vaccine already in place, in addition to vastly improved treatment protocols when Biden took office, EVERYONE would have assumed his numbers would not be anywhere close to equal.

    You dont care to weigh in on this reality?
     
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    Just because everything you mindlessly parrot comes from some Right-wing nut god forsaken blog, does not mean others can't think for themselves!
    I challenge you to find anyone else on Earth who made the same calculation as me!!!!
     
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    The logic is hardly "nonsensical," in fact it is unassailable! What is nonsensical is counting the 176,646 already on their death beds when Tramp left office as Biden deaths!
     
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    LOL...Do you mean the nonsensical distinction without relevance that drastically lied about the total number of deaths that happened within a 6 week perior after Trump left office with 8.8 million cases and ignores the 6 week period following Biden with the 9.4 million current cases?

    LOL.....You can have the credit for that debacle. Its all yours.

    Did you care to comment on the reality that Biden had Vaccines and improved protocols but STILL has just as many deaths? No comment? Maybe you can go dig up some other false and irrelevant statistic in the hopes to to throw around just enough sand so that nobody can see?
     
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    Prior to the election, both Biden and Harris politicized the vaccine.
     
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    Biden said Trump should resign because of the number of people that died from covid on his watch.

    Biden has surpassed that number so by his own logic he should resign.
     
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    Trump walked into the kitchen with a fire on the stove, with a class B fire extinguisher in hand.

    Biden turns the corner in his car and sees the entire house on fire.
    With the neighbors throwing full gas cans onto it.

    Who do you think would have a better chance of putting their fire out?

    When 1/3 of the country doesn't even believe COVID is real, and refuse to do anything to try
    to stop the spread.
    It's no reason why they now say COVID is a Pandemic of the unvaccinated.
    Then there's Delta.


    It is apples and oranges.
     
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