COVID Death Toll Under Biden Set to Surpass Trump, In Less Time

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  1. edthecynic

    edthecynic Well-Known Member

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    Actually after further checking your own link did the calculation and it is 4.7 million still active since Biden took over, so we both were wrong.
     
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    edthecynic Well-Known Member

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    Pure HOGWASH!
     
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    FAW Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Nope. Novemeber 26....9.4 million active cases. I am not wrong even a little bit. If anything I understated it being 9.416 million.

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
     
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    See, now you've screwed up.

    I practice medicine and Ray Charles could have seen this coming.

    At the extremes of age we the people aren't able to fight off disease quite so well.

    So that means convalescent homes are ripe.for rapid spread of disease...and it spreads to the exact demo least able to fight it.

    Also Trump does not set state policy, governors do.

    This is the same type of low acuity statement we saw after hurricane Katrina.

    Sort yourself out and read some books.
     
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    Pure truth.


    "An algorithm designed to fill the gaps of recovered cases uses a median time from onset from COVID-19 to recovery for patients with mild cases as approximately two weeks, and three to six weeks for patients with more severe symptoms — with 81% of cases estimated as mild to moderate, 14% as severe, and 5% as critical. Where cases of recovery are reported locally and are higher than the modelled value, the reported value is used."

    This is an estimate, and that estimate does NOT keep so called long haulers on the books indefinitely. Nobody in that estimate is still there since January 2021.2 weeks for mild and up to 6 weeks for severe.

    https://www.devex.com/news/what-you-need-to-know-about-active-and-recovered-covid-19-cases-98525

    This is a meaningless argument.
     
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    Just not honest enough to admit you are wrong.
    What you dishonestly left out was according to your own link, active cases declined to 4.7 million by July, so there were only 4.7 million new active cases since Biden took over, not your 9.4 million.
     
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    9.4 million is the CURRENT number of active cases. What about this do you find confusing? What about this has anything to do with a number in July?

    Do you not understand the difference between active and cumulative?
     
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    You are the one confused. Your own link tracked the decline in active cases after Tramp left to 4.7 million before it rose to the current 9.4 million.
     
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    9.4 million is the current active case rate. They calculate active cases with an estimate that uses an algorithm that counts mild cases as two weeks, and severe cases up to 6 weeks. That means this 9.4 million number only goes back 6 weeks maximum. None of this has ANYTHING to do with Trump. Saying my own link "tracked the decline" means not one thing. Just because that number went to 4 million this past July has not one thing to do with the current active cases. You are rambling on endlessly over nothing. There is 9.4 million active cases which only takes into account cases tha statred within the last 6 weeks. You are hopelessly confused. This has gotten silly. I have proven my point, and am more than happy to let the reader decide for themselves. There is nothing else to say on this subject.
     
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    One of the things you need to learn is that if you live in a glass house, don't throw stones.
     
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    What stone have I thrown? I diligently stick to a subject.. So much so that some find it pedantic. This strawman nonsense is a colossal waste of time and is without question the most common diversionary technique on this board.
     
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    1st deaths stared close to April 1 2020, On Jan 20, 2021, trumps term in office under the deaths is 434,000. 10 months while he as in office.
    To exceed trumps death count, as the OP wants to do, Biden would need 434,001 as of Nov 21, 2021, also 10 months.
    That would mean 868,001 deaths on 11/21/21.

    Deaths were:
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    About 73K less than what would have been needed.
    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
     
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    We all know that deaths in 2020 were overstated
    Obviously understated in 2021
    Death count probably about 1 million in 2021, 6 in 2020
     
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    Trump started with a NOVEL virus... look it up if that means nothing to you..
     
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    The death count will now be blamed on the unvaccinated instead of POTUS. If everyone were to get vaccinated, the death count would be blamed on global warming or racism. Theres always a way to manufacture blame in politics and make excuses for why govt needs more authority to control us.
     
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    When obvious trumpers take shots at Biden's performance, tell me why they keep crying off topic when we compare Biden's behavior to that of their beloved agent orange?
     
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    So you are asking me to jump in and comment on some supposed conversation that you have seen elsewhere and has not one thing to do with me? That makes sense to you?
     
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    Detroit logic.
     
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    yep, Trump failed us

    concerns about covid were not a hoax, Trump should not of played it down
     
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    yep, they were wrong to do that too, but they were not the President and they were doing it in private, not telling the world not to

    but yes, congress is guilty too, they played it down while selling stock
     
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    no they did not, Trump tried to politicize the vaccine, tried to claim credit for it

    then when Trump lost, he hid getting the vaccine from the public cause he thought it might make Biden look good if his supporters took it

    Trump only cares about Trump
     
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    exactly, and let it get out of control, 15 going on zero, Biden started out with a virus already out of control, millions and millions were infected the day Biden took office
     
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    The failure of Trump to get control over the virus was result of neglect and politicisation.

    The failure of Biden to get hold the virus is the result of the stupidity of a small minority of Americans that refuse to get vaccinated for no good reason.

    Would Trump have done better with this stupid minority? Probably not. Stupid is as stupid does.

     
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    "Harris had stated that any such effort pushed by then-President Trump was untrustworthy. This was consistent with the Biden campaign theme that the Trump administration had been incompetent in responding to the COVID-19 pandemic — a position that morphed, when President Biden took office, into a claim that the Trump team hadn’t even had a workable plan on vaccine distribution (a claim so patently false that even Anthony Fauci, director of the Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, denied it). "
    Guess who undermined public confidence in vaccines? | TheHill
    As I said, Biden and Harris politicized the vaccine before the election. You can claim they were only talking about the rollout or Trump claiming credit, but the fact remains, it threw politics into the mix.
     
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    right now covid is a Pandemic of the unvaccinated

    a new variant can change that, but as of right now, the unvaccinated are filling the hospitals

    anyone that wanted a vaccine could have had one by now, most of those deaths this year could have been prevented, and that is sad
     
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