Covid is just the beginning

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    "But climate change might also usher in entirely new diseases, by allowing pathogens to move into new host species.

    “We know that species are moving, and when they do, they’re going to have these chances to share viruses,” said Colin Carlson, a biologist at Georgetown University and a co-author of the new study.

    These findings enabled Dr. Carlson and his colleagues to make predictions about what would happen when mammal species come together for the first time in a hotter world.

    Among the 3,139 species studied, the researchers anticipated more than 4,000 instances in which viruses would move from one species to another. In some cases, just one virus will make the jump. But the models also predicted that multiple viruses carried by one species would spread to the other.


    Rachel Baker, a disease ecologist at Princeton University who was not involved in the study, said that the research was an important step forward in understanding how climate change will affect the world’s dangerous viruses. Previous studies have focused on single viruses, as opposed to surveying the entire world."
    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/28/science/climate-change-virus-spillover.html

    There are other disease vectors, industrial agriculture uses large amounts of antibiotics, which creates superdiseases that resist current antibiotics. Sharing that resistance with other diseases can also happen.

    This is well past a lose/lose situation. It will be a wave of disasters of our own making.
     
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    Yet one more reason why having an actual secure border is important.

    People are coming over at their own whims with zero medical evaluations. Coming here from third world countries that have substandard if any medical care to speak of
     
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    Sorry, I refuse to go through life in fear. I recommend everybody do the same.
     
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    One of the governments functions is dealing with risk. The CDC needs to evaluate the risk, and the pandemic team needs to come up with a plan to mitigate that risk.

    Well, that's how it works in the real world.
     
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    Not with my real world. Sorry. Unfortunately I don't agree with the words "governments function."
     
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    When I was very young, I got polio.

    So... from my earliest days, before I was born, really, the government was involved in dealing with disease. Along with defense, R&D and a thousand other things.

    Which is to say your reality isn't in the slightest bit real.
     
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    Diseases don't care if you have a visa, and it's quite true that we don't have the kind of medical evaluations that would prevent diseases entering the USA even by the totally legal gateways.

    In fact, that would be totally impractical. On both our northern and southern border we have people legally commuting for work across the border on a daily basis, for example.

    Also, there is no way to prevent nature from crossing political lines. And, this isn't just about human disease. It's also about plant diseases, animals, growing conditions, etc.
     
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    I'm aware of what the government does. I just oppose most of it.
     
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    It's a little NUTS to suggest that the federal government has responsibility to defend the USA EXCEPT when the invasion is biological.

    There are clear steps government can take and does take to defend the USA.
     
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    This isn't about fear. Our military isn't about fear, either.

    We don't assess our defense needs based on the population of America quaking in their shoes.
     
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    That, and a few bucks, will still get you a cup of coffee.

    Just a reminder, we started doing things you oppose after the Civil War, yes, that long ago, before your great grandfather was born...

    You see, we wanted to develop, so we wouldn't be poor and stuff.

     
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    Mankind is just another mammal. Do you have any evidence that they're not evaluating legal immigrants medically?

    As for people coming and going for daily work I would say in the midst of pandemic that's a failure of government right there no matter who the hell is in office.

    People should be getting medical evaluations crossing a border and the best of times much less during a pandemic.

    What the hell is the point of domestic lockdowns if you're letting people come and go across the border willy-nilly
     
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    Is that supposed to be some sort of backhanded comment that he is pro slavery somehow?

    If not could you please be more specific about what he opposed after the civil war?
     
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    None of it had to do with avoiding poverty. It may have involved some stuff, however. Certainly it enhanced the power of elected offices.
     
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    Of course. But the hysteria ginned up by government over covid had nothing to do with a war.
     
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    Have you ever been under an artillery attack? I have and I can tell you that there is a bunch of fear involved.
     
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    well they've completely and utterly failed at it and every single opportunity so maybe that shouldn't be one of their functions anymore
    I'm starting to think the CDC and it's autonomy needs to be dissolved completely. They are the center for disease control and they can't control **** even when they're giving their power to be dictators.

    It needs to be defunded and removed.
    No it isn't. The way it works in the real world is these organizations absolutely fail at every opportunity and plunder the taxpayer in the process.

    All over the three letter organizations that exist within the government spectrum should be dissolved they are all failures just a pit or a hole for money to disappear into.

    Have you ever wonder why our debt is so huge it is from funding garbage.
     
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    so stopping illegal Intruders would reduce the risk if nothing else.

    Asking the country to trust people to stupid to understand that reality is a bridge too far nobody in the government or the CDC should be in charge of this.

    These are the countries most incompetent morons or corrupt criminals.
    it is the primary practical thing. And that's just in the case of reducing infectious disease.


    as it was so common to hear during the pandemic while people were losing their minds and doesn't have to be 100% effective to reduce risk.

    Seat belts don't guarantee that you won't die in a car accident but they reduce risk of injury and that's why we wear them.
    Forbidding illegal aliens would reduce all of this.
     
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    The government did not create hysteria.

    Hysteria was created by the right wing as a political wedge issue.

    It's sad when a serious health issue is treated that way by politicians who have purely partisan objectives.
     
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    You are missing that the CDC can not force its recommendations to be followed.

    So, COVID almost instantly became a political wedge issue, with Republican once again arguing against science with NO justification.

    The result of the failure to follow recommendations from medical science led to large numbers of deaths of American citizens.

    Republicans recommended that you consider your doctors to be ignorant schmucks when it comes to COVID.

    And, they did that for partisan political advantage.

    YOU GOT USED.
     
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    Undocumented aliens are a MINISCULE amount of travel in and out of the USA. Plus, they come from few locations instead of coming from all over the world.

    The COVID Americans have came to America almost exclusively through NYC.

    Our southern border states had almost NOTHING to do with the pandemic that hit the USA.

    You should be interested in protecting America from disease rather than trying to find ammunition for your hatred of Hispanics.
     
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    other recommendations were followed and it was a disaster one of which we will probably be having repercussions over the next century. And it did nothing to hold the pandemic.
    Democrats made it into a political issue by acting like dictators and shutting down people's businesses and forcing people into foreclosure and bankruptcy.

    If they hadn't of blundered that bad the Republicans wouldn't be able to feed on the corpse that they produced. You can blame the Republicans all you want and I'm not saying they did nothing in the scheme. I'm not a party whore.

    But you are absolving the Democrats of any of their wrongdoing because you are an acolyte.
    that is the politicians fault for being too stupid to realize they are dealing with the American people. If anything this should show you how out of touch they are.

    When they come in to you to go broke and have your house foreclosed on in your car is repossessed people are quickly going to produce their middle finger right in their face and they should I wish they had done that more.


    I'm not really interested in your partisan crap the politicians you fellat are just as bad.
    It seems you did too here you are simping for the Democratic party that took its constituents over the table and rammed it in without lube.

    Many of them turning around and saying govern me harder Daddy.

    Like I said no judgments.
     
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    You say you aren't interested in politicians and then you give nothing but unsupportable partisan diatribe against Democrats.

    Do you think I respect that?
     
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    then it would be really easy to control it and very practical so were you lying before are you lying now

    Plus, they come from few locations instead of coming from all over the world.
    The cold is not a huge threat to the US.

    Your slaves that you import from South of the border to mow your yard and mop your floors that is a threat to human decency.
     
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    I have not lied.

    Please respect PoliticsForum rules.

    Besides, there is nothing about COVID that makes it easy or practical to control.
     

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