COVID Outbreak Linked To Televangelist Who Claimed Jesus Protects Christians From Virus

I could have just as well posted this in "Religion and Philosophy , because there are serious philosophical ethical questions here. How do you justify putting people at risk of death in the name of religion. How do you justify lying to gullible people to further your own agenda? I suppose that it is possible that he believes his own inane equine excrement but that does not let him off of the ethical hook either, because he has a moral obligation to consider the science and the possibility that he will do harm to people by ignoring that science.


COVID Outbreak Linked To Televangelist Who Claimed Jesus Protects Christians From Virus
Selling Snake Oil: A COVID outbreak is being linked to a Bible conference held by televangelist Andrew Wommack, who recently promised his followers that
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Colorado Springs-based Andrew Wommack Ministries followed up a six-day conference with a celebration attended by over 800 people, despite an attempt by the Colorado Attorney General’s Office to keep attendance to no more than 175 people. Now the Colorado Department of Public Health and Environment has traced a COVID-19 outbreak to the event…

 

Crazy. One would have to have a religious level of blindness to believe that record use of pharm products has been good for public health, but like religion, Obama care has plenty of blind followers. There is enough gullibility to go around!

 

Thank you for that cogent, thoughtful and well written retort. Now, try to explain what this has to do with drug consumption and Obama Care.

 

My pleasure. Blind belief combined with willingness to ignore results is what connects the two.

 

When the USA falls before it ever reached its potential or lived up to the promises of the founding documents, the epitaph should read...

Cause of Death...too many dumb people who believed too many evil self- serving grifters. Stupidity killed the USA!

 

I'm no longer amazed at how people justify their actions in the name of religion (party affiliation, social and economic class, etc.). It's beyond reprehensible. This could have easily been avoided. No excuses.

 

What in the name of the goddess are you talking about? Stop with the cryptic crap and state your views plain and clearly. Do you think that this guy is sane or not?

 

I’ll try to be brief.
1). This dude is a moron regardless of his religious or any other affiliation.
2). What he did (I’m assuming everything above is accurate but this is the first I’ve heard about this) is actually directly contrary to Biblical doctrine on faith vs. presumption.
3). The damage to public health by this dude is a direct parallel to Fauci’s lies about mask usage. The only difference is one used religion as justification and the other used collectivism/humanism as justification. I’m not a fan of either justification.

 

They are no less dead than those who believed that increased consumption of pharm products would protect them from illness. I realize you are trying to limit criticism to religion, but they don't have a monopoly on leading people to harm under the guise of helping them. Those cheering for Obamacare, higher taxes and gun control are no different.

 

Good ****ing god!! This religious fanatic and those who he sucks in are no different then those cheering for Obamacare, higher taxes and gun control ? Seriously

 

Results speak for themselves.

 

What results? What the hell are you blathering about?

 

Blind belief is the polar opposite of science. I prefer knowledge to belief.

 

You are criticizing others for their religious beliefs, and while you are right in doing so, I pointed out that many (Maybe even you) have similar beliefs that cause far more harm. In spite of record use of pharm products, Americans are sicker than ever. Results speak for themselves. Both sides like to point a righteous finger, but neither are pointing with clean hands.

Science is based on results. Results speak for themselves.

 

When will you people learn?

Wear a mask. Stay out of large groups.

Stay Away FROM OTHERS NOT WEARING MASKS

 

First of all, you are getting a bit off track here .The subject is a kook who claims that Jesus protects Christians form the virus.

Having said that and since your raised the issue of American health status and the use of pharmacological products, I will say this. Yes we do use a lot of drugs, and yes , our health outcomes are not as good as many other countries who spend less on health care and drugs. But why is that? Lets not confuse correlation with causality. We must consider intervening variable like unequal access to those drugs and to health care in general. We must consider income and wealth inequality as well as racism that impact the quality of life for many/. And, I must ask, what beliefs do you think that I have that cause harm. Please enlighten me.

 

PS How about price gouging by the drug maker, and the fact that healthy care is a for profit industry and not considered a right fotr people ?

 

Lets say the jesus guy had good intentions and really believed he was helping others.

You label yourself as a progressive and have reinforced your belief in the above post. While your intentions are good, the actual results show that your beliefs cause more harm.

I will give you one example. You and I are forced to buy corn through subsidies. We don't just pay to make high fructose corn syrup, we are also forced to buy it for the poor. 10% of food stamps/SNAP/EBT benefits are spent on "sweetened beverages". Once symptoms show up, subsidized pharm products are prescribed to mask symptoms so that the patient can comfortably continue to get sicker. When the side effects show up, more pharm products are prescribed. Pharm companies and PepsiCo enjoy record profits while these people get sicker.

Illness is not the result of income inequality or racism. Health doesn't come from a pharmacy.

Currently 1/3 of Americans are diabetic or pre-diabetic.

This is only one example of the harm being done under the guise of helping. The only difference between Progressives and the jesus guy is the amount of harm their beliefs cause.

 

How in the name of the goddesses do my beliefs have anything to do with the craziness that goes on in the pharm. industry and big agriculture. Do you really believe that liberals and progressive support what you are describing.? Yes, we support subsidizing the poor because they are victims of a ruthless market economy and other forces at work against them. But if you want a free market economy, you have to take care of people when the economy shrinks and sheds jobs so that they will not rise up, and will be available to provide cheep labor when needed ( see Regulating the Poor- Piven and Cloward. )But I do not support feeding them garbage that is profitable or the travesties of big pharma. It is not I, or progressives' who are doing the harm

Now can we please get back to the kook who is spewing nonsense and who that Trumps is promoting ?

 

The jesus guy believed he was helping people the same way progressive believe they are helping. In both cases, the belief requires ignoring results and end up doing more harm than good. Another example would be Conservatives believing that the war on drugs helps society.

I happen to live in the Progressives petri dish. Trump and the cons have no voice here in CA and in spite of paying the highest taxes, we are the poverty capitol of the US. Schools rank among the lowest and the gap between the rich and poor is huge. The belief that progressive ideology is good for the less fortunate is no different than the jesus guy's beliefs. Good intentions are not enough.

I appreciate the polite conversation and mean no disrespect. Its not all bad, marriage equality and not throwing people in prison for weed do benefit society!

 

Wait...so you're anti-Jesus?

 

You are still not addressing the topic or the points that I have made. You're descending into Gish gallop blather about anything and everything that comes into your stream on consciousness. Focus for krist sake! Focus

 

Not at all. He was probably a nice guy.

I addressed the topic and agree with you. I realize you are just as unlikely to question your own beliefs as the jesus guy. Results speak for themselves and in spite of good intentions, progressive beliefs cause more harm than good when it comes to public health.

 

How have conservatives been good for public health?

 

They haven't. They are just as bad as the progressives.

Its easier to fool people than convince them they have been fooled.