Criminal complaint (Kurdish genocide)in Germany against MP Erdoan & C

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  1. litwin

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    Criminal complaint (Kurdish genocide)in Germany against MP Erdoğan & C
    "Lawyers in Germany have filed a criminal complaint at the responsible Federal Prosecutor’s Office (BAW) in Karlsruhe, Germany against Prime Minister Erdoğan (who is today in Berlin for a state visit), and several Chiefs of Staff of the Turkish army because of severe criminal acts during war against the Kurdish population"

    "The complaint contains 10 exemplary “cases” from recent years, which have been compiled on the basis of comprehensive own research, the analysis of materials of the Turkish justice system and reports of respected human rights organisations.

    Among others there are cases of extralegal executions, killing of combatants after taking them prisoner, torture, post-mortal mutilation and even the use of prohibited chemical weapons.

    Presented are the respective facts and circumstances with names, dates and means of evidence."
    http://www.defencegreece.com/index....int-in-germany-against-prime-minister-erdogan

    how far is Germany ready to go?
     
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    I don't think it's possible to avoid this inhumanity in times of war.


    We need peace for everybody.

    These atrocities are way too common, and every nation is guilty of them at one point or other.



    At the conclusion of the American Civil war, Lincoln was murdered by a southerner who sought vengeance.

    Lincoln had the formulae for peace:

    "With malice towards none and charity for all..."
     
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    turkey has never called it for war
     
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    For some reason, many think that the reverse is true.


    Just because a few profit by the misery of the many, it doesn't make it good for business in general.


    Frankly, I don't know why war is tolerated at all.
     
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    ^Because of the benefit it brings to those with power even we are part of this group which benefits so greatly from others misfortune. It's up to us to stop being the consumers of products from such violent tyranny and start rejecting the system imposed upon us.
    Oh and the first world powers seem to be above international law whenever they wish. That or they distribute the blame to others.
     
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    Germany won't do a thing (except block Turkey's attempts to become a member of the EU).
     
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    Thus taking away an important incentive for Turkey to up their game when it comes to human rights.
     
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    Kind of cute that of all the places you could have gotten these news from you quote a site called "defencegreece". :mrgreen:
     
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    Yes but if Germany were to act, we would be hearing screams of how the west is imposing on the middle east.

    Did you read Erdogan's interview in which he called for children born in Germany to learn Turkish first and then a "foreign" language? Idiotic!
     
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    don´t you have in Germany Separation of powers?
     
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    Yes we do. Why do you ask?:)
     
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    in that case you should say the German government won't do a thing (except block Turkey's attempts to become a member of the EU), not sure about the Federal Prosecutor’s Office (BAW)
     
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    A) You misunderstood: if Turkey was ebcouraged to join the EU it would have to up its game concerning human rights.

    B) Why do you think it's stupid for children with Turkish origin to learn Turkish?
    What is stupid is that there are a lot of children here who speak broken Turkish and broken German. Here Erdogan's suggestion makes quite a lot of sense. See Cummin’s theory that first language promotion supports second language acquisition.
     
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    Well put. The Turks living in Germany are actually living in a parallel universe. They are called Turks in Germany but "German Turks" in Turkey. They are alien to the both countries.
     
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    I suppose that would work as Greece cut back on its deficit because it joined the EU :chew: Nope, a country has to meet the requirements before it enters the EU - thereafter hands are tied as the EU/Greek story shows.


    It is not stupid to learn Turkish as a second language! But to call German foreign in Germany for a child born here is very stupid indeed. Show me a child that learns a foreign language first and then enters the schools system, that does well....

    First language in Germany is German...can't beleive I am making this point.:omg:
     
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    Not true. If they have learned the language and integrated, they are German unless they are asking to be treated differently and calling the language of the country in which they live "foreign".
     
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    Why do you think that the German prosecutors would charge foreign states with crimes? That is surely a matter for supra-judicial bodies.
     
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    it happens quite often : General Augusto Pinochet vs. Baltasar Garzón, why not in Germany?
     
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    Calling somebody in Germany foreign even though he/she was born in Germany is rather stupid too. And I trust you know what an 'act of defiance' (Trotzreaktion) is.

    Being bilingual is a great thing.
    It would be rather stupid if my future children picked their German up from my husband, whose German is rubbish. I'd much rather he taught them his mother-tongue. If he didn't they'd lose a wonderful opportunity.
    And there are indeed children who do well in German school even though their first language wasn't German. It's much easier for children to learn German once they're proficient in their first language.
     
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    Try to tell that to a friend of mine who speaks fluent and accent-free German, is absolutely 'integrated' and is still frequently met with xenophobic slur just because of his looks and the sound of his name.
     
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    i have only one question to Liebe, is not she bilingual personally? and by the way the bilingual people are the smartest students , and turkish troubles have nothing to do with bilingualism
     

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