Criminals Would be Protected from Deportation Under Bill AOC and Other House Dems Back

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  1. Paul7

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    I don't think the democrat party cares about America or Americans.
     
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    The left has been saying for years that no one is above the law. But when their pets break the law, then the left changes the law.

    No intelligent person will ever say the left doesn't obey orders. A few years ago Obama, both Clintons and a host of other democrats wanted secured borders and our immigration laws enforced. In those few years, the average liberal on the street completely reversed course and did as they were instructed to do which is to sacrifice American lives to illegals and use billions in America tax payer dollars to feed, clothe, shelter, educate, arrest, put on trial and then house in prison the very same illegals they said they wanted to keep out of the country. And when the illegals need medical care, American dollars are always at the ready.

    Remember, the leaked DNC memo said Latinos were the future of their party.
     
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    Not only protected from deportation due to felony crimes, but previous deported felonious illegals brought back to the US with impunity and American taxpayers footing the bill.

    IL Congressman Jesus García, primary sponsor of the bill, back in Oct used the phrase “end the deportation for people who have had contact with the criminal legal system.” Just what the hell is that? Contact with the criminal legal system? States usually have 3 courts, Traffic Court, Civil Court and Criminal Court. I know that criminal court is mainly for felony crimes. Can some liberal in this forum please explain this nonsense to me. Thank you in advance.
     
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    A child molester and other felons will be given free air fair back to America at a cost to US taxpayers of a billion dollars.

    Then when they get here they will go on welfare and you better hide your children.

    Illegal child molesters in America will not be deported because the Democrats want their vote.

    You can’t make this shyt up !
     
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    All you need to know about this bill is the list of sponsors.
    Luminaries like Hank Guam will tip over Johnson, Omar, Talib, and Alexandria Occasional Cortez among them.
     
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    I know, I have a number of posts about the New Way Forward Act but I want to hear a liberal’s reasoning of why this is a good idea.
     
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    Those bunch of clowns couldn’t organize a pot Luck dinner.
     
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    I'll summarize the intent of this bill - keep as many immigrants here as possible. That's what it is, and it's an indication that Trump has them scared, that he's being too effective.

    Democrats, especially this new wave of radicals that are basically hijacking the party, are determined to manifest the ideas of "hope and change", to "radically transform" America. They hate everything that has made America great, yet they want it for themselves also. They seem to have a blinddpot concerning the differences between shithole countries and Western countries, America being the pinnacle of the West.

    This bill won't pass, though elements of it will likely seep into other peices of law, locally at least. This is why we need four more years of Trump, and another two terms of a conservative of equal testicular fortitude. We need to deport as many foreign nationals as possible, shut off the magnets, and make it increasingly difficult to become a citizen if the applicant doesn't have much to offer.

    Our culture and power is precariously teetering, though there's more than a fighting chance. Our enemies only have power because we're passive.
     
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    I am really curious to hear from some of the Left leaning posters on this bill. Are you in favor of it? If so, how do you justify it?
     
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    Only a racist who hates brown people would disagree with this bill.

    Since they wont respond, I saved them the trouble.

    But we all know why they havent responded, Joe and Mika dont come on until Monday, which means the left hasn't been told what to think yet.
     
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    I noticed that on Nancy Pelosi's pathetic speech tearing event. When they were asked what specifically in the speech warranted it, not one had an answer for days, because no one told them what to say. I also noticed that Pelosi was never asked by the MSM what specific text of the speech warranted the act. We have a ton of sheep and an MSM that delivers the Democratic Party talking points and propaganda. If they don't say anything, the Leftists are lost.
     
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    Maybe you should read the Bill. HR 5383.
    Most of it is just clarifying laws already on the books (8 U.S.C. 1226, 1232, 1231, 279, 1357, 1101, 1227, 1228).
    The big change would be making it illegal to use For Profit Jails to hold illegals (mainly children) after the year 2023. Any jails
    would have to be run by non-profit companies or by the Dept. of Homeland Security after that time.

    It still allows judges to use their discretion on what to do with illegals who commit crimes - and as Trump has appointed most of the immigration judges, there should be no problems, right?
     
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    This will only end when democrats figure out how to have foreigners in other countries vote in American elections. Then they won't need illegals here. This is about nothing else but stealing elections for the democrats. They don't need any help from the Russians or anyone else to cheat. They're the experts.
     
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    There's still a lot of bad judges out there, and good judges can be replaced with bad. Why risk it?
     
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    What are your feeling on America paying for the air fare of convicted child molesters who were deported to return to America?

    They also plan on allowing illegal child molesters and rapists to remain in America.

    Do you support this?
     
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    You have to wonder if the left will still support keeping convicted child molesters away from schools or registering with the police as such. My guess is the left will give them a pass.
     
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    Love it. May I have your permission to use your phrase of testicular fortitude?
     
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    I would never wish harm to anyone, but hypothetically what would happen if Pelosi’s granddaughter or AOC’s niece was sexually assaulted by a twice deported illegal immigrant? Would Trump pardon the illegal after he was convicted and sentenced? Now that’s not right. I can’t believe I even think of scenarios like that, but the left made me do it.
     
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    I cannot claim this phrase, it was coined by one of my favorite intellectuals - Gad Saad. He's a Canadian, professor, evolutionary psychologist... and stone cold conservative... even though he won't admit it.

    I've said several times now... if you're a conservative who hasn't been following Gad, you're missing out!
     
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    That’s why I don’t believe in Karma.
    If there was such a thing as Karma, something like what you stated should occur.

    Unfortunately it will be a innocent family that is victimized.
     
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    Or a witness and Good Samaritan that came to the aid of two boys being severely beaten, but because of a recent NY law just enacted this past Dec was murdered himself.

    Horowitz: MS-13 members suspected in murder of witness after NY bail ‘reform’ law forced disclosure of witness address


    Not only have numerous people been murdered or maimed as a result of violent criminals being released without bail in New York, there is now the first casualty from the other horrible provision of the jailbreak law.

    On Wednesday, 36-year-old Wilmer Maldonado was found bludgeoned to death behind an abandoned home in Nassau County, Long Island. Who was Maldanado? A victim of and a witness to a heinous MS-13 gang beating that local police now believe got him killed. Why? Because thanks to the new bail law, not only are violent gangsters out on the streets, their defense lawyers have almost instant access to the contact information and identities of the victims and witnesses.

    As the New York Post reports, it’s almost a certainty that this new law got Maldanado killed, because he had lived safely for over a year since the initial attack. He was a witness to a pack of nine MS-13 gang members beating two boys in October 2018, when he intervened and was himself severely beaten by the group. His identity was protected until December 2019 by a court-issued protective order. But pursuant to the new law, at that time, his information was turned over to the MS-13 suspects’ defense. Now he’s dead.

    “This man is dead because we didn’t do enough … and this law is not helping us,” lamented Nassau County Police Commissioner Patrick Ryder at a press conference. Although police have no definitive proof yet that the information was directly passed on from the lawyer to the suspects, Ryder said there was intimidation of the witness leading up to his death, including an attempted beating just one day before he was found murdered.

    This is criminal justice “reform” laid bare before our eyes. There’s nothing progressive, enlightened, or reform-minded about it. It’s a perverted movement that weights criminal rights well beyond those of innocent victims, and its results are barbaric.

    Any prosecutor will tell you that part of the reason why, contrary to the premise of the political elites, we have an under-conviction problem is because it’s so hard to get witnesses and victims to testify. Witness intimidation is already a growing problem. Yet 100 percent of the criminal justice “reforms” are about strengthening criminal rights instead of victim rights.

    “As it is, we often struggle to convince these witnesses to share their truth with law enforcement for fear of retaliation, especially in our most violent areas,” said Sandra Doorley, district attorney of Monroe County, N.Y., in a statement to Blaze Media. “Victim and witness intimidation are more frequent than the public knows.”

    Doorley, an outspoken critic of New York’s new pro-criminal laws, explained how the requirement to turn over the names and contact information of witnesses to the defense within fifteen days is already wreaking havoc on prosecutions even in her upstate New York county. “A witness to a violent shooting was completely prepared to testify against the defendant until the witness was told that her grand jury testimony and contact information would be released to the defendant. Afraid for her life because of the defendant’s violent past and history with retaliation, the witness became frantic and requested that this case did not move forward, stating that the witness would not testify in grand jury.”

    In that particular case, her office was able to secure an order of protection and convince the witness to testify. “We may not be so fortunate the next time, and a violent criminal may be left in the streets,” warned the veteran prosecutor.

    The brilliant malevolence of New York’s law is the symbiotic relationship of the two provisions. The abolish-bail provision ensures that nearly every criminal is out on the streets pending trial. The disclosure provision arms the criminals with all the identification information of their targets. Were they behind bars, it would be a smaller problem, but leftists ensured that the two provisions would create a dynamic where not only are more crimes committed, but it will be difficult to convict them even for the first crime, because nobody will want to testify. That is not a bug of their “reform;” it’s a feature: designed to reduce the prison population at all costs.

    We see these stories of witness intimidation every day. Last month, Jordan Randolph, 40, who had 12 prior criminal convictions, including charges for numerous assaults, robbery, drugs, and three DWIs, was arrested for not having a court-ordered ignition interlock device in his car. Yet the judge said he was forced to release Randolph without any bond, despite five prior failures to appear in court. Less than two weeks later, Randolph was allegedly drunk driving when he slammed into Jonathan Flores-Maldonado, fatally injuring him. According to the New York Post, Long Island officials say he was threatening witnesses.

    During the arraignment, Randolph reportedly bragged, “I’ll be out tomorrow.” In court, Suffolk County assistant district attorney Jacob DeLauter said, “As Jonathan Flores was left taking his last breaths and dying, this defendant was hurling expletives at both officers and EMTs who were trying to render him aid.” DeLauter also testified that Randolph “stated to an EMT that when he gets out, he’ll come find her.”

    Indeed, he was released from jail again the very next day without bail!


     
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    Democrats/neo-commies fight for everyone against Americans. China, Iran, cartels, all benefit from Democrats and their policies.
     
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    These politicians seem to forget WHO they are working for, and it will NEVER change unless we the people stand together as one and say ENOUGH!!
    This bs is going to continue and Democrats WILL eventually get into the White House, control the house and the senate. Can you imagine how bad things will become then??
     

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