critical race theory and the dwindling number of teachers

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  1. Rampart

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    i'm still laughing at the idea that teachers are in it for the money.

    lets dispose of the "critical race theory" theory first. teachers are not worried about teaching crt. they are worried that those enforcing the new laws have no idea what crt is and will fire them arbitrarily using some bogus crt crap as an excuse.

    teachers who are teaching their students to "hate all white people" might exist, but they really don't belong in the profession anyway. teaching that slavery existed is history. exercises in thinking about why slavery existed, the things that were done to slaves, and why slavery was abolished are certainly appropriate for students by the time they learn about the civil war.

    why i would be leaving the profession is not crt, or even sel (the evil theory that children must learn self discipline and respect for others) or even "common core" (the insidious theory that there are things that children should learn in school).

    i think i would be leaving if someone, without evidence, called me a "groomer" or a "pedophile." i'd be quitting because that lawsuit should support my family better than any teaching paycheck.

    and, please, some rich azzwhole like alex jones please call me a "crisis actor" while my students' blood is still on the floor.
     
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    Unfortunately teachers are the newest(though not new because they are in the blame rotation) target in the culture war. Things like CRT and the 1619 project are stupid, but the problem is that the right-wing critics of these things aren't mad because they think kids are being "indoctrinated", they are mad because they consider it the wrong indoctrination. They would prefer the rosy stories a lot of us grew up on that focuses on the "exceptional" nature of America while glossing over the bad parts.

    Me, I would prefer neither. We can teach the kids the truth without the need for biased narratives. Or, folks can continue on as we are now pretending they're mad about biased narratives but really just being mad that sometimes those biased narratives aren't their own.
     
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    Few get 'rich' by being teachers (unless they're tenured professors at an Ivy League university). Most of the people I knew who majored in "Education" chose the teacher-route because it was relatively easy, non-competitive, offered job security, and the positions were fairly well compensated -- especially in terms of 'time off', vacations, health insurance, and generous retirement.

    Now, in the last twenty years or so, teachers' unions have become even more powerful and demanding, resulting in larger paychecks than ever, even as educational achievement at the K-12 levels have PLUMMETED. Today, public school teachers are little more than babysitters who are always looking anxiously forward to the day when they can retire! And, when you consider what kind of offspring Americans are spawning in the 21st-century, who can blame them?! I wouldn't want to be around clots of them, either....
     
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    I'm afraid the demonization of teachers will backfire, because no one wants to ne considered racist, pedophile, or 'the enemy'. They will quit their jobs, and it will have a negative impact in level of education. 300 000 teachers have already quit and up to 27% are considering quitting.

    Being respected at the workplace is a basic need, but politicians in places like Florida are working overtime to make teachers look like criminals or mocking them for trying to protect kids from Covid.
     
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    Teaching is not an easy job, @Pollycy many complicated demands must be met. It's a reasonable assertion that they can do better, however it's not all their fault.
     
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    is "clots" the proper collectible of children? i was thinking a "herd" or maybe even (in some cities) a "
    murder"
     
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    That just doesn't make any sense.
    If that were true, then everyone should quit their job before someone accuses them of sexual harassment.
    If grooming a pedophilia claims is the reason for teachers quitting, then I would say for good cause.
    Nobody quits their job because of possible accusations of something they are not guilty of.
    Sounds more like the media propaganda machine is doing its job
     
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    And this also applies to many other points in the MAGA-extremist culture war. The "Don't Say Gay" law here in Florida is also likely to get teachers fired, not because they actually teach about "gay" people, but because dumb right-wing parents don't understand "gender identity".
     
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    1. You would have to actually read the bill first before commenting on it, or were you knowingly lying about what the bill provides?
    2. Seems 55% of Democrats support the law in Florida
    3. The only people against the bill would be those who prefer to have trans and gay sexual conversations with 5 year olds.
     
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    It was all I could think of before having a second cup of coffee....

    Maybe a "mob" is more accurate, as in "kangaroos".
     
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    Well, if the teachers quitting are anything like the tolerant, logical, well “spoken” teacher supporters in this thread, it’s no great loss.

    Self destruction of the current educational paradigm is not a net negative. Public education was failing long before CRT came on the scene. Perhaps a Phoenix will rise from the ashes of an organization unable to deal with criticism and looking for a big lawsuit payday (while laughing at the idea teachers are in it for the money).
     
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    Our educational systems in the U. S. are an accurate reflection of what WE as a people have morphed into, especially during the last 30 years. The more docile, stupid, dependent, ignorant, and mindless we become, the worse everything in our schools is, too!
     
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    Really? What is the truth? History is a bunch of standalone facts that are woven into a coherent story by the historian. The historian has his own notion of what the truth is and curates the facts to support his truth.

    I certainly want the history that supports my truth used. Of course.
     
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    Teachers have great job security, only work 8 months out of the year, get Cadillac benefits and make more money on retirement than they do actually working. You think they aren't factoring all that in when they decide to become teachers? If they aren't, they're too stupid to be school teachers.
     
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    parents think these little gangstas (and thats all of 'em, from every class and color) are a band of angels. it must be all the other children who are miserable little brats.
     
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    That's why teachers should be allowed to whip students who get out of line.
     
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    I don't lie. Read my sig!!! And stop saying nonsense.
     
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    History is a lie, agreed upon Napoleon

    The problem is that we're not even teaching the lie anymore.

     
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    That is not true. Both my sons had very good teachers (as well as a couple of lousy ones), who prepared their lessons well, and took pride in their job. Despite their meagerly wages. My wife is a teacher, and it's almost like a "hobby" to her, because of how little she makes. However she takes great pride in preparing for the upcoming school year. As do most of her colleagues. As in every profession, there are good teachers and lousy ones. The good ones aren't in it for the money, obviously. But because they care.

    However, the right is now in an all-out battle against them in their war against education. Even so, the education standards have not fallen. Even here in Florida, despite the fact that we have an anti-education Governor. So far, the teachers have held their ground in this war. So let's give them a little credit, shall we?
     
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    You don't lie huh. Then you can explain your own post, right?

    The bill only excludes teachers from having conversations about sexual orientation in kindergarten through third grade without a parents consent.
    Which means you either never read it, or you are knowingly lying about it.
    So much for that fake sig, huh.

    But your wife is a teacher in Florida and you don't know what the bill says?
    Another fake claim by Golem exposed
     
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    Those can be sued! But ALL teachers can be harassed. You are obviously not understanding this thread. Pay attention!

    The narrative among MAGA-extremists is already that teachers are grooming children for pedophiles. They're not smart enough to make a difference between 1st grade and 8th grade!

    Of course, your contention that kindergarten through third grade are not teachers is NONSENSE. But... why expect anything better from YOU?
     
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    While this may sound good on paper, in reality, it is wholly impossible. There is no such thing as an unbiased narrative of history. Ten people could witness a crime, and you would get ten different descriptions of the event. Similarly, a retelling of historical events is only as accurate as which person you choose to use for a recitation of what and why things happened. Every person has a different perspective and will tell the story from their particular perspective.

    I believe that kids should be told a recitation of history that comes from a point of optimism rather than pessimism. If people want to debate pessimistic interpretations of our nation's history, the proper time for such things would be college or maybe high school when children can start to have an appreciation for nuance and opinion. I see absolutely nothing wrong with teaching primary students a rosy nationalistic version of history. There will be plenty of time for pessimism as the child turns into an adult. Let kids remain kids for as long as possible.
     
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    IMO this attack on teachers will only make things MUCH worse. How could it possibly be a good thing?
     
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    Yep. Buying my education instead of taking whatever crap was offered “free” was the best decision I ever made (with the initial help of my parents of course). I didn’t start working off my tuition as a school janitor until third or fourth grade. :)
     
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    Hubris and Pride, it's simply un-Christian.
     
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