Cultural paths.

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  1. Brett Nortje

    Brett Nortje Well-Known Member

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    Each region of the world has a culture particular to it, and, there are influences on that region changing it slowly, quickly or just plain 'defying it.' when people from another culture come to a region that is under the influence of another culture, that they have different lifestyles and values and such, then there is change in that culture, like a new type of food for the stomach to process. sometimes, there will be hostility towards the 'new food,' but otherwise they may accept and try to understand them, all the while either trying to change to be like them if they are 'successful,' or trying to change them to be more like the majority if the majority sees itself as being more 'successful.'

    This is because people like to see what they want to see around them. this is because in a culture dominated by males, they like to lead, and, feel those living with them that do not follow are rebels, yes? that said, there is often posturing from both sides as to how successful their culture is, no?

    So, all cultures strive for the same things, that being similar to a economic budget - these address the similar problem of each country, and, having similar problems, they must have similar goals, of course. having similar goals, and having different ways to attain or get them, means that we are all human with the same values, in the end.

    Why are cultures sometimes so different? well, some of them see what happens when you 'progress,' and they do not like the end result they see in other cultures. this is because of 'relay culture,' where the leaders will show them piety or patronage instead of banking on inheritance - this is where you seek to please the elders instead of using them like int he west as some do, yes? they see these differences as being radical and they see homeless people, for example, thinking there is no place for them in that culture, or that it is wrong for this or that reason, and deny it. then they will protest too when this progressive, in the eyes of the first world, and sadistic in the eyes of the third world come to nest in the east and africa and so forth.

    Now, the advances in medicine and education are always welcomed, it is merely a state of love that they hold for the leaders that 'keeps them back,' as some would say. this means that due to certain results in the west, that they read about in the media, there will probably never be any western influence on the likes of the second and third world.
     
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    Brett Nortje Well-Known Member

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    So, we have found, over and over again, that different people have different ways of living, but, why? we, as computer using westerners think obviously everyone wants to be like us, yes? i mean, who wouldn't want to be like us? if we were to think of them hitting each other, and abused wives, we will find with a simple survey search, or search for figures, like statistics, you will find that there is less wife beating in the near, east, for example, than there is in the first world, as, there is a tighter sense of family - they have nothing else!

    If we were to ask why these horrible things happen in the west, and not in the east - the drugs are grown in the third world and consumed in the first world, then you will say that this is because of the gluttony factor of the first world - they never have enough of anything, us, yes? this is because the people in the third world have this whole trust and family thing going on for them while we are influenced by western media and the fantasies of the west. when we see media out of africa, i have seen only family dramas coming from the native cultures, while in the west it is about brutality - hell, i love the action movies more myself! that is because we have been exposed to them and have not rejected them, but consumed from a young age. this means that our fantasies reflect the values we have, and, that this ye old saying of how your parents bring you up is reflected in how you live must be true. who came up with it is beyond me, of course.

    Now, if we were to think about the ways of the east, they must be horrified by the west - wouldn't you be? you take 'a comic book' to the east with full on action and the like, and they will think it is magic, first of all, and then that it upsets them, yes? this is because they see real brutality - it is nice to sit back and watch the news calling all of them savages, but to actually experience these needs for resources, where a bag of rice is so precious, you will also at least fight over it, of course. this means they appreciate the things they have more - remember what i told you about 'gluttony?'

    I hope i have enlightened you a bit, or, you will tell me where i am wrong, in your experience, okay i will listen, with stats, you got a point if you do, and, with a combination of experience, stats and psychological theory preferred, please?
     
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    With all that in mind we must remember that all societies strive for the same goals, yes? this is one of the aims of the united nations, to create a state of law where all people are represented and protected, of course. this would mean that nobody sees desperation around them, nobody sees poverty around them, there is as little suffering as possible, as, this is needed for a good lifestyle and productive workforce, to produce for their food and needs, and to be happy citizens.

    So, what else can be done? there are twenty five human rights chartered or listed by the united nations that seek to be a global standard, but they require funding to bring these rules to bear fruit. it is true that when rich people give money to charities, the charities squander the money, keeping as much of it for themselves as they can! this is apparent if you were to look at the amounts given to them, and the productivity of their efforts, yes?

    While it is true that the countries with money look after themselves first, there would be much more productivity by buying fishing rods or jobs for people rather than giving them lots of fish - wouldn't it be nice if the united nations set up a 'business development scheme' for the less developed nations of the world? this could be where they legally tax donations to charities, and use that money to develop businesses in the third world especially.

    Or, there could be a new body set up, that takes fifty cents from each person earning money in their own currency for the underdeveloped nations of the world to be developed, of course. this would see the world be flooded by about one billion dollars of business developments a year or so, where the amounts could easily be increased for the major donors of the developed world, a 'wealth tax' they could call it? this could quickly accelerate to thirty dollars a year, leading to around ten billion dollars for the new business developments in the third world, about ten thousand new businesses a year or so, yes? with each business employing about fifty people or so, the joblessness could be cut by fifty thousand people a year, and yet this is not a big ask.

    So, if people had more wealth, they would have a better lifestyle, and, be ready to worry about the humanitarian laws of the world. this would be where they are lifted off the basic standard of living, in lifestyle and wealth, where they see americana and first world cities in the media, think of how they would like to live like them, and then realize this goal, to a point, with a few differences, yes?
     
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    When it comes to laws of the land we would find that the ways of the west are better because they allow more freedom for the people that are governed by them. these rights were fought for, or came about naturally - in the west, as is with everyone else, policies come through popular votes where the administration looks at their ability or prospects of gaining votes through passing policies. this obviously means the majority gets what they want nearly all the time, and, that this reflects the people's wishes in the country they are in, of course.

    So, why do we have surgical amputations and child brides in the third world? surely they would say that to be like them they need to do these things too and bestow rights on people for their own personal freedoms to manifest? like i said previously, the people of the third world, when they say they love america, they are saying they want a nice house and car and stuff, not the 'image' of america, germany or france. these policies are easy to pass and research as to the changes they bring - maybe they will adopt them, maybe they will not, but we must remember that the degree of progression between progressive parties varies or changes from region to region, okay?

    Maybe if the west wants to see more of the west around them, they should prepare summaries of how these policies have affected the various areas around the world where they were passed? this would speak to the leaders, whom, upon agreeing that the people should be consulted, could pass them into the media for the people to read about, and, then gather an opinion through social media or something, remembering that social media is only for about a third of the country.

    Why do people fear change this way? obviously it is better, i mean, we do it, yes? well, if we were to look at surgical amputations, for example, this means nobody will do these crimes and this is manifest in the statistics for the region regarding crime and other social disorder. with child brides, this happens so seldom it is like saying there is a b.p. oil spill every week - if some 'backwards' people want to take a child into their home to care for them, the child has all the representation of the country and tribe they are part of.

    Now, without dialogue there will be no 'progression from east to west.' this means the lobbyists, if they are serious, should not just condemn other regions for the way they are, they should try to change them as gently as they can - everyone likes to see change around them, they do not like to change themselves.
     
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    I think before people attempt to discuss culture, some anthropology should be studied. You mentioned psychology, but culture is in the realm of anthropology.

    All of the evils mentioned for non-Western societies are present here. In the U$A we have a very high level of violence, all manner of atrocity is committed agatinst women on a daily basis. Just because we don't have imams sanctioning this and issuing fatwas doesn't mean it isn't happening.

    The world wants to be like us? Actually people would like democracy, mostly, but I think they're wary of the West's rampant consumerism and materialism. And let's compare 1st and 3rd worlds in an accurate historical context... they were MADE poor, mostly by Western powers, and while in the West most will deny this, in the 3rd world it is far from a secret.
     
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    Prior to the industrial age, cultural influences used to migrate, almost exclusively by face to face human contact, on coattails of trade, as trade requires two way trips to other lands. The story of the Venetian merchant, Marco Polo, provides a vivid example of this. Conquering cultures met with deep resentment from the conquered, and therefore the cultural fusions were small and superfluous for the most part.

    Living beings have two basic concerns, security and comfort. Relative global border security created by the conviction recently crystallized in the mind of mankind, that conquering others is a losing proposition in the long run, has made nations feel more secure within their borders. The broad coalition formed against Iraq in the Desert Storm war portrayed this conviction. This has allowed nations to shift more energy towards material gains, intensifying their productions. To achieve high values for the participants, international division of labor is inevitable, which cannot flourish without massive international trade. As a result, and supported by the fast and massive communication and transportation facilities, the tide of international trade is rising. Thus, progression of economic globalization is an undefeatable factor of today’s life. In a handful number of generations the international trade of material, labor and services will become quite cohesive and will resemble, to a degree, to our interstate commerce.

    Economic fusion always creates cultural interface. When economic fusion reaches high level it leads to political fusion to some degree. At that level of process cultural fusion gets big boost. Today’s fast and massive commodity/information exchange all over the world is merging the cultures of the world at an accelerating pace.



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