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Current welfare system ruining our economy

Discussion in 'Budget & Taxes' started by RadicalRevolutionary, Feb 18, 2016.

  1. OldManOnFire

    OldManOnFire Well-Known Member

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    Everything in the US government, all $4 trillion each year, is 'other people's money'! No matter if we're talking about the military, or health care, or welfare...all of it is taxpayer money. There should never be any dialogue about 'other people's money' but instead how to provide public systems which are in the best interest of the USA...
     
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    Basically.....Bureaucracy begets more Bureaucracy.
     
  3. Maximatic

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    So, you should never talk about the fact that governments are stealing money, you should only talk about what you want to do with that money. I see.
     
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    Vegas giants Well-Known Member

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    You can talk about it if it makes you feel better but that will never ever change
     
  5. OldManOnFire

    OldManOnFire Well-Known Member

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    I guess this statement in my response is not good enough for you; "how to provide public systems which are in the best interest of the USA..."

    What YOU want, or what I want, are meaningless if they are not in the long term best interest of the USA. Personal bias has no place in a discussion when trying to understand what's in the best interest of the USA. What you claim are FACTS are nothing but your personal bias...not interested...
     
  6. Maximatic

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    The USA is a government. Your ultimate good is a government. This is judgmental I'm sure, but that's ****ed up. But you probably find that assessment a straw man, and rationalize that what is defined by and as a government is actually the people it rules.
     
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    Actually the USA is a sovereign nation of 320 million Americans who have chosen a form of government they desire to manage the nation. Until the US becomes a dictatorship, we must accept the will of the voters and the performance of our representatives, and have faith in the 3+ branches of government; executive, legislative, judiciary, and the free press. Today we have a politically divided nation so good luck finding much consensus so it is pretty much guaranteed that each government decision will please half the voters and piss off the other half. I personally refuse to talk or think politics because IMO it's a 100% waste of time and energy. When I leave my house in the car I know it's in my best interest to wear a seat belt...no other opinion can change my mind on this because of the facts that exist. I feel the same about discussing government programs...there are always facts! And facts can be used to obtain what's in the best interest of the USA...
     
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    Bullshit.
     
  9. bringiton

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    No, it is fact that proves your beliefs are false and evil. You already know this, so you have to find some way of not knowing those facts. That is why you dismiss the facts as diatribe, even though you know they are objectively correct.
     
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    No, it's not a matter of trust. We need laws, and humans are the only ones who can write them. It's just like we can't trust humans with the responsibility to raise children, either, but what is the alternative?
    A symptom of what, existing in the real world instead of your perfect fantasy land?
    Yep. Everyone. If you can't do a good job of it yourself, find someone you think can do a better job, and ask them to do it.
     
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    So the victims of government-issued and -enforced privilege should have to pay just as much to fund the government that issues and enforces the privileges as those who profit by them...?

    Somehow, I kinda figured it'd be something like that.
     
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    No, they should pay for THEIR OWN protection and the benefits they consequently receive, and of which they deprive others.
    No, I want them to stop taking my money, using government as their proxy.
     
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    I hear that most of Somalia, Afghanistan, and a large area of northwest Africa offer you the societal conditions you crave. Why not just go and live there?
     
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    No, I am telling you what has happened, not what anyone thinks has happened. If the victim of a catfish believes the catfish loves them, that does not alter the fact that the catfish is a scammer.
    Try to think of something relevant to say.
    I'm pretty sure you are wrong. Many people know the tax system is unjust.
    They are not participating in this discussion. Hadn't you noticed?
     
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    I think you should calm down.
     
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    So you have been comprehensively and conclusively refuted, you know it, and you have no answers. Check.
     
  17. Maximatic

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    Okay, believe that.
    The real reason is that you change the subject with every response making it impossible to continue a discussion with you over time, which I find annoying.
     
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    OldManOnFire Well-Known Member

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    Now you're showing your knowledge?

    Which part is BS? Sovereign nation? 320 million population? Voters choose their representatives?

    Enlighten me...explain what you believe is not BS?
     
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    I fully understand diatribe and so do others reading these posts...
     
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    This part "320 million Americans who have chosen a form of government", mostly, but the "is a sovereign nation of 320 million Americans" is also false.

    USA stands for United States of America. It is a union of states. A state is a government. The USA, then, is a union of governments, commonly known as the "Union", "Federal Government" or "General Government".

    Not even a single one of the 320,000,000 people you said chose to form it had anything to do with its existence.
     

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